TM hi-capa 4.3 beaver tail (grip safety) not working 100%

[Acidictadpole]

I got this gun yesterday brand new. The trigger is still pullable if my hand isn't holding down the grip safety. It's harder than if the grip wasn't held, but i dont think it should be possible at all.

What can i do to see whether the mechanism is broken or just out of place.

thanks.

[theguy]

My high-capa 4.3 does the same. Not sure if they all do

[ILLusion]

This is normal

[Acidictadpole]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

This is normal

Hmm.. ok.

Is there a way to make this safety a little more safe? Something I can do to the gun that makes it so the beaver tail provides a much better force to prevent the trigger from being pulled?

[pusangani]

Originally Posted by Acidictadpole

Is there a way to make this safety a little more safe?

don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire a shot?

[Acidictadpole]

Originally Posted by pusangani

don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire a shot?

Was it really necessary to reply with that? If that were the case the beaver tail wouldn't be on the gun at all. I don't see a problem with asking for a way to make an intended function, function properly.

[pusangani]

lol just fuckin around, but it sounds like it already is functioning properly,

With the hammer cocked, does pulling the trigger without the grip safety being engaged, result in a shot? if not then it is functioning properly

[Acidictadpole]

Originally Posted by pusangani

lol just fuckin around, but it sounds like it already is functioning properly,

With the hammer cocked, does pulling the trigger without the grip safety being engaged, result in a shot? if not then it is functioning properly

Yes it does. The hammer hits down.

[ujiro]

Just make it a habit to use the standard safety at all times unless you are ready to shoot. That is what I do. The beavertail grip safety cannot be trusted fully on the airsoft version.

[pusangani]

a stock brand new gun should have its grip safety working tho, mine does, maybe take out the pin at the bottom of the grip and remove the hammer spring housing, have a look at the leaf spring and the other bits and see if everything is shipshape.

[Styrak]

Is it that important? The 1911/2011 series is double action. I never use the safety on my Hicapa.
Not saying it shouldn't work on a brand new gun but...

[Acidictadpole]

My Hi-capa is single action. The trigger does one action, releasing the hammer.

You'll also have to confirm the steps for me as I've not taken a pistol apart before.

[Styrak]

Sorry, slip of the tongue, meant single action.

[m102404]

On a Hicapa...orient it so the muzzle is pointing away from you and you're looking at the back of the grip. The grip safety is supposed to prevent the trigger from being pulled...you can test this by getting a fingernail under the bottom edge of the grip safety and keep it pulled out (in "safe" position), while you put pressure on the trigger. Keep in mind that you're not working with steel parts...so if you go Hulk on it, you'll break something. But...it should provide more than enough normal blocking force. If that works...then you know the parts are working.

Then try again without holding the grip safety out...if the hammer is tripped, then it means that the safety isn't being pushed out (by spring pressure) enough.

There's a 3-fingered leaf spring on the back side of the grip, under the beavertail safety. Oriented like I described, it's the far left finger that puts pressure on the beaver tail to keep it out. It's the shortest of the three fingers and has a rounded bent end.

If you bend this one out (towards the rear of the pistol) a bit more...not extreme though...it'll put more pressure on the grip safety. There's lots of other write-ups of how to get into it...so it might be best to reference some of those...but here's the short desc:
1. Mag out
2. Remove the slide (rack partially back, push out slide catch, slide the assembly right off the front)
3. Push out pin by the bottom of the grip by the lanyard hole (this holds the mainspring housing in place)
4. Once the mainspring housing/main spring is out, you might be able to get the leaf spring out....but the beaver tail will be covering up stuff so it might be awkward. If you can get it out and get it back in right....skip the rest of this.
5. Rotate the thumb safety up and a bit past where it normally would go...pull it out of the frame (watch out for the plunger and spring...they pop right out and fly off into oblivion). On a 5.1 you'd take out the right side thumb safety as well.
6. Remove the grip safety...it should just come straight out
7. Remove leaf spring

Replace in the following order:
1. postition leaf spring...the fingers just lay on top of all the ramps and stuff in there...the fingers do NOT go under anything.
2. position grip safety
3. push the thumb safety plunger/spring in, position thumb safety...when you've got it, just push the safety in and then rotate it back into position
4. replace mainspring unit...make sure the mainspring bar is on the plunger of the housing.
5. replace pin

Test.

Also...check that your grip is on properly to your frame. The other week a guy brought in his pistol with the grip safety not working...turned out his frame/grip was loose. Drop the hammer on your pistol...it's easier to do this if it's not cocked. Loosen the two side grip screws and loosen the trigger guard screw inside the frame (it goes straight down into the front part of the trigger guard). Then hold/press the grip and frame together...tighten the two grip screws (again, tight but don't go Hulk on it)...then snug up the frame screw that goes into the trigger guard. There should be no seam between the grip and the frame (easy to spot around the back side by the beaver tail safety).

If that doesn't work...you could try swapping grip safeties...but it's probably not worth the cost unless it really bugs you.

**and Sunil's point of keeping your finger off the trigger is completely valid**

[Alpha_Niner]

Sorry if its sort of out of the subject.

So the Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 4.3 doesn't have a safety in the back of the grip?