best TM Co2 mag.

[Metro]

Need experience here. Please help me figure out what Co2 glock mag to choose.




WE GLOCK CO2 Mag vs APS Co2 Magazine

From what I read online both are compatible with TM glocks
Anyone has played with them?

Any FPS knowledge from any of these mags

thank you

[GBBR]

CO2 cant be used in a TM. Have fun breaking the gun

[R.I.T.Z]

TM might explode...
Propane at the most.

[Gato]

I can tell you're new here....

As one of the few tm fanboys left that I know of, you'll destroy your pistol on C02.

I know my TM pistols. I refuse to run non TM pistols. Listen to GBBR and I.

Originally Posted by Metro

Need experience here. Please help me figure out what Co2 glock mag to choose.




WE GLOCK CO2 Mag vs APS Co2 Magazine

From what I read online both are compatible with TM glocks
Anyone has played with them?

Any FPS knowledge from any of these mags

thank you

[Metro]

even if I am planing to upgrade the crap out of it?

[ThunderCactus]

extremely highly recommend to keep a marui pistol stock as bare bones.
Since to upgrade it to handle CO2, you'll need to upgrade everything apart from the frame (since glock frames don't come in steel), you're better off just getting a full metal pistol.
What's your reasoning for wanting CO2?

[GBBR]

Doesn't matter what you do to it. bad idea is a a bad idea

[Metro]

I only run Co2 mags

I have 2 vfc mp5 3 mini uzi and 1 ghk ak

I have gas mags. This is the reason I got rid all my pistols a few years ago.

Plus they kick harder. Plus, I like building Gas Guns.

I was planning to get a steel slide and a guarder frame.. Basically building it from scratch.

I like

[Kratisto]

Unlike KJW, APS... etc CO2 magazines, WE CO2 mags do not have significant higher output than a regular mag with propane at warm temperature. Just a bit 10-20 more fps at most. And there is always Ra-Tech's NPAS (Used by most players here in Spain with KJW CO2 guns to get under our 330fps limit for handguns)

WE CO2 Glock magazines work in Stark/VFC and upgraded TM Glocks with aluminium slides at around 290-300fps. I've not seen them used in KJWs, but they should work too. These are my prefered choice for my TM/PGC G17.

APS magazines are much more powerful (review: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...&postcount=428) and probably the ideal choice with a NPAS for a steel slide build. That said, TM style Glocks are not one of the most durable designs Marui has done. Going by the Glock upgrade thread http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=140496, you can expect all the usual wearing out of frames and BBU/nozzles, but faster. Check this: Airsoft Canada - View Single Post - WIP: Upgrading Your Tokyo Marui Glock

[Metro]

Thank you sir. This was really helpfull.

Originally Posted by Kratisto

Unlike KJW, APS... etc CO2 magazines, WE CO2 mags do not have significant higher output than a regular mag with propane at warm temperature. Just a bit 10-20 more fps at most. And there is always Ra-Tech's NPAS (Used by most players here in Spain with KJW CO2 guns to get under our 330fps limit for handguns)

WE CO2 Glock magazines work in Stark/VFC and upgraded TM Glocks with aluminium slides at around 290-300fps. I've not seen them used in KJWs, but they should work too. These are my prefered choice for my TM/PGC G17.

APS magazines are much more powerful (review: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...&postcount=428) and probably the ideal choice with a NPAS for a steel slide build. That said, TM style Glocks are not one of the most durable designs Marui has done. Going by the Glock upgrade thread http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=140496, you can expect all the usual wearing out of frames and BBU/nozzles, but faster. Check this: Airsoft Canada - View Single Post - WIP: Upgrading Your Tokyo Marui Glock

[p.phresh]

I've tried the WE CO2 glock mag in my WE G18c, and it broke the stock plastic rear sight because the kick was really hard, but that did not translate into increased power output. The gun still chrono'd at < 300FPS. I had to replace the rear sight to a steel rear sight in order to continue using the CO2 mag.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND CO2 ON A TM GUN.

The WE G18C seemed to barely survive a couple cartiridges of CO2.

And for the record, WE Glock mags don't fit in KJW Glocks without modification to either the mag or the KJW lower.

[Metro]

p.phresh ... thank you for the magazine info.

I want a harder recoil and bigger bang also.

Thank you all for the warnings.

[Kratisto]

The broken plastic rear sight is a common problem with all TM Glock & clones. It happens with propane, too! Under recoil the rear BBU screw gets loose with time (unless you fix it somehow) and the vibration it's transmitted to the sight. Add to this WE's reputation for lower quality materials and...

A fully upgraded TM Glock (metal slide and guarder/hk3p frame) should be no less durable than any other clone. It's just a matter of the right parts combination. Both WE and Stark have differences in key parts vs. the original TM design. This makes me prefer going the TM upgrade route for full aftermarket parts availability.

Originally Posted by p.phresh

And for the record, WE Glock mags don't fit in KJW Glocks without modification to either the mag or the KJW lower.

This happens only with compact Glocks (KJW G23,G32C). They lack the engraved guide inside the magazine well for the full size magazines. Those have a small nub in the back to avoid over insertion in subcompact Glocks like the TM G26 and the clone KJW G27. KJW forgot to add the guide to their compact frames when they were designed. I'm not sure about Stark or Guarder G19 frames, but WE ships their CO2 mags with an adapter for their G19s.

[BioRage]

Want more of a kick? Don't care about reliability?

I present to you, map gas! $5 a can, can be bought at crapmart or crappy tire.

Stats:
+100% more kick.

[e-luder]

Originally Posted by Metro

p.phresh ... thank you for the magazine info.

I want a harder recoil and bigger bang also.

Thank you all for the warnings.

Changing gases won't maximize the potential to get you where you want.

To get the higher FPS you want, you'll need a simple changing of the gas release valve on your magazine. You need one that will let out a higher volume of gas out.

For increased blowback, you'll need to create to a perfectly tight seal inside your loading muzzle and piston head. Get bigger o-rings if you need to. Do whatever you need to get a good seal.

Remember, the piston head's primary duty is for airsealing. If this seal is broken or is poor, you'll get a weak blowback.

For you to switch to using C02, and assuming you get all of the above downpat, the very least you have to do is get a stronger loading muzzle assembly. I'm talking everything including the floating valve.

With a high intensity blowoff valve, your stock loading muzzle will eventually explode. Sooner than later if you run a C02 mag.

The second thing you'll need to do is to run with a stronger hammer spring to open a higher pressurized C02 valve and at a constant and even strike. This will efficiently release the gas you need to create both a boost in FPS and blowback.

Internally, you can expect a (in the long run) a broken firing, and a busted frame because of the kick your gun will produce....

and so on....
PM me if you need more info.

I'm just too lazy to type everything right now.