Hi-Capa 4.3 : Creation Outer Barrel Compatibility with PGC slide

ILLusion · January 12th, 2009, 22:29

You can still use an inner barrel mounted compensator, but it will stick out and won't mate properly with the slide due to your new "ring fix".

However, with a steady hand, you may be able to open up the compensator's entrance wide enough to accept the ring as well.

jaoquinz · January 12th, 2009, 22:55

Hi Illusion!

Do you happen to have a picture of the connecting end of a inner-barrel mounted comp to show how the the entire assembly comes together? I'm thinking with a comp that might help keep the ring in place once it returns to battery. At least preventing the ring from turning into another projectile in the middle of shooting.

ILLusion · January 12th, 2009, 23:55

jaoquinz · January 13th, 2009, 01:22

So the protrusion of the outerbarrel from the slide would be sunk into the comp? I'm sure if I file 1mm around the diameter of the opening that it would work...right?

ILLusion · January 13th, 2009, 03:35

correct

jaoquinz · January 13th, 2009, 05:17

AWESOME!!

thanks.

jaoquinz · January 13th, 2009, 09:42

Haha... after another mag the epoxy bond gave way and the ring propelled across the room.

Will try a higher strength epoxy weld in the weekend. Any ideas guys, short of welding? Grub screw ala PDI comp style would still move wouldn't it?

m102404 · January 13th, 2009, 09:58

If you're going for a "handy-man" do it yourself fix...why not try a bigger thicker ring (you could even file/contour it to your slide) with a through hole and grub screw.

You could extend the through hole into the outer barrel and then you'd have a physical bond between the ring and the barrel. The grub screw would go right through the ring and into the outer barrel.

And/or freeze-heat fit. Size the ring so that it won't go on (just barely too small). Freeze the outer barrel. Heat the ring with a torch and press fit it on. Plan ahead for this type of stuff...you only get one shot at it.

It's amazing the pounding that these things take!

Make the ring out of gold anodized aluminum....then all the kids will be copying you...

Shirley · January 13th, 2009, 10:10

I'm going to take pics later tonight of my PDI comp.
It comes with this ring that screws onto the inner barrel, but that's if you can get a 5.1 inner barrel which is longer for the ring to fit on.. So you can probably create the ring for it..?
Anyways, you live in Hong Kong dude! Plenty of parts around, I was thinking of selling you an 5.1 inner barrel, but looked at your location. lol

jaoquinz · January 13th, 2009, 13:51

m102404: Freeze-heat fit? Wow interesting option... think I might do just that. But what material should the ring be? A silver ring would just melt under a torch wouldn't it? Hard to find alumnium jewelry around. Steel is too hard a material on the alumnium slide?

I would drill a hole into the ring.. if I had the tools to do so. If only I had access to machining tools, Ill be making my own comp to fit.

Mr.Hitman: Hey thanks appreciate that!

Yeah well I went to all the major shops Dentrinity, Tokyo Model, Guns 'n'Guys, Armed Forces, even the elusive Redwolf which only opens on alternate Saturdays until 1pm.. all say I'm f**ked please buy a new slide.

I'll try not to until I screw up something else. Then I'll do what they say.

Shirley · January 13th, 2009, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaoquinz

m102404: Freeze-heat fit? Wow interesting option... think I might do just that. But what material should the ring be? A silver ring would just melt under a torch wouldn't it? Hard to find alumnium jewelry around. Steel is too hard a material on the alumnium slide?

I would drill a hole into the ring.. if I had the tools to do so. If only I had access to machining tools, Ill be making my own comp to fit.

Mr.Hitman: Hey thanks appreciate that!

Yeah well I went to all the major shops Dentrinity, Tokyo Model, Guns 'n'Guys, Armed Forces, even the elusive Redwolf which only opens on alternate Saturdays until 1pm.. all say I'm f**ked please buy a new slide.

I'll try not to until I screw up something else. Then I'll do what they say.

heh well new slide is still cheaper than buying a PDI compensator.
You speak English very very well! What the heck?!

Another way to secure the slide is to have a thicker ring, have holes drilled maybe 2 or 3, and finding a screw which uses an allen key, I forgot what screws they are called.. Anyways, and then thread it and to tighten the ring onto the outer barrel, after that, and secure it more, use more epoxy or glue or whatever..
And then you can probably use a stock recoil spring to reduce the slide power..

Only other way is a new slide. :P

jaoquinz · January 13th, 2009, 20:57

Well the new slide would of course be another last resort option, as previously mentioned the slide was a present.

But seriously, are your slides on your guns ok with the steel chambers? Any major damage? If I properly fitted the slide to the chamber would there be minimal damage to my slide lugs 3A and 3B? Or would it fail eventually, but at least not within the first 3 days.. like mine. :P

ILLusion · January 14th, 2009, 13:23

90% of the pistols I've built are perfectly fine with steel chambers, even when the slide was soft die-casted zinc-aluminum.

You got burned on your deal. :P

As for fixing the ring on, a grub screw triangle should work well. Would recommend centre-punching or drill tipping in to the outer barrel where the grub screw would affix to to give a detent for the grub screw to grab on to. Secure with loctite, to make sure the grub screw doesn't back out.

@ Lanny, again, the PDI compensator solution is useless for the OPs needs. He needs his OUTER BARREL to have the compensator attached, not the inner barrel.
PS... Hong Kong was an English colony for 100 years. It's not surprising that the residents there can speak English when it was an official second language and taught in schools through a better part of the 20th century.

Shirley · January 14th, 2009, 15:08

Hmm weird, well the comp is wide enough to stop the slide from pushing forward and the comp over laps the outer barrel.

ILLusion · January 14th, 2009, 15:20

I know, but if you watch the action of the cycle, as you pull the slide back, the outer barrel will retract from the compensator that is mounted to the inner barrel.

For all intents and purposes, the inner barrel is actually "fixed" to the midframe and never moves.

As the slide moves forward, when it gets to the point where it needs to start pushing the outer barrel forward, the compensator won't be there. It'll be floating about 5mm in front of the slide. Even if the slide were able to slam against the compensator, all it would end up doing is pulling the inner barrel, and again, the inner barrel isn't connected to the outer barrel. The outer barrel is free moving, and the problem right now is that the outer barrel isn't moving forward anymore. It needs a way to be pulled or pushed back forward. That's why an outer barrel mounted compensator (or ring) would work.

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January 12th, 2009, 22:29	#46
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	You can still use an inner barrel mounted compensator, but it will stick out and won't mate properly with the slide due to your new "ring fix". However, with a steady hand, you may be able to open up the compensator's entrance wide enough to accept the ring as well. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 12th, 2009, 23:55	#48
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	__________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 13th, 2009, 03:35	#50
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	correct __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 12th, 2009, 22:55	#47
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	Hi Illusion! Do you happen to have a picture of the connecting end of a inner-barrel mounted comp to show how the the entire assembly comes together? I'm thinking with a comp that might help keep the ring in place once it returns to battery. At least preventing the ring from turning into another projectile in the middle of shooting.

January 13th, 2009, 01:22	#49
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	So the protrusion of the outerbarrel from the slide would be sunk into the comp? I'm sure if I file 1mm around the diameter of the opening that it would work...right?

January 13th, 2009, 05:17	#51
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	AWESOME!! thanks.

January 13th, 2009, 09:42	#52
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	Haha... after another mag the epoxy bond gave way and the ring propelled across the room. Will try a higher strength epoxy weld in the weekend. Any ideas guys, short of welding? Grub screw ala PDI comp style would still move wouldn't it?

January 13th, 2009, 09:58	#53
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	If you're going for a "handy-man" do it yourself fix...why not try a bigger thicker ring (you could even file/contour it to your slide) with a through hole and grub screw. You could extend the through hole into the outer barrel and then you'd have a physical bond between the ring and the barrel. The grub screw would go right through the ring and into the outer barrel. And/or freeze-heat fit. Size the ring so that it won't go on (just barely too small). Freeze the outer barrel. Heat the ring with a torch and press fit it on. Plan ahead for this type of stuff...you only get one shot at it. It's amazing the pounding that these things take! Make the ring out of gold anodized aluminum....then all the kids will be copying you...

January 13th, 2009, 10:10	#54
Shirley A-56 aka Mr.Hitman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	I'm going to take pics later tonight of my PDI comp. It comes with this ring that screws onto the inner barrel, but that's if you can get a 5.1 inner barrel which is longer for the ring to fit on.. So you can probably create the ring for it..? Anyways, you live in Hong Kong dude! Plenty of parts around, I was thinking of selling you an 5.1 inner barrel, but looked at your location. lol __________________ CANADIAN AIRSOFT PRACTICAL SHOOTING (CAPS) CAPS DIRECTOR # 0047

January 13th, 2009, 13:51	#55
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	m102404: Freeze-heat fit? Wow interesting option... think I might do just that. But what material should the ring be? A silver ring would just melt under a torch wouldn't it? Hard to find alumnium jewelry around. Steel is too hard a material on the alumnium slide? I would drill a hole into the ring.. if I had the tools to do so. If only I had access to machining tools, Ill be making my own comp to fit. Mr.Hitman: Hey thanks appreciate that! Yeah well I went to all the major shops Dentrinity, Tokyo Model, Guns 'n'Guys, Armed Forces, even the elusive Redwolf which only opens on alternate Saturdays until 1pm.. all say I'm f**ked please buy a new slide. I'll try not to until I screw up something else. Then I'll do what they say.

January 13th, 2009, 20:57	#57
jaoquinz Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong	Well the new slide would of course be another last resort option, as previously mentioned the slide was a present. But seriously, are your slides on your guns ok with the steel chambers? Any major damage? If I properly fitted the slide to the chamber would there be minimal damage to my slide lugs 3A and 3B? Or would it fail eventually, but at least not within the first 3 days.. like mine. :P

January 14th, 2009, 13:23	#58
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	90% of the pistols I've built are perfectly fine with steel chambers, even when the slide was soft die-casted zinc-aluminum. You got burned on your deal. :P As for fixing the ring on, a grub screw triangle should work well. Would recommend centre-punching or drill tipping in to the outer barrel where the grub screw would affix to to give a detent for the grub screw to grab on to. Secure with loctite, to make sure the grub screw doesn't back out. @ Lanny, again, the PDI compensator solution is useless for the OPs needs. He needs his OUTER BARREL to have the compensator attached, not the inner barrel. PS... Hong Kong was an English colony for 100 years. It's not surprising that the residents there can speak English when it was an official second language and taught in schools through a better part of the 20th century. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 14th, 2009, 15:08	#59
Shirley A-56 aka Mr.Hitman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON	Hmm weird, well the comp is wide enough to stop the slide from pushing forward and the comp over laps the outer barrel. __________________ CANADIAN AIRSOFT PRACTICAL SHOOTING (CAPS) CAPS DIRECTOR # 0047

January 14th, 2009, 15:20	#60
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	I know, but if you watch the action of the cycle, as you pull the slide back, the outer barrel will retract from the compensator that is mounted to the inner barrel. For all intents and purposes, the inner barrel is actually "fixed" to the midframe and never moves. As the slide moves forward, when it gets to the point where it needs to start pushing the outer barrel forward, the compensator won't be there. It'll be floating about 5mm in front of the slide. Even if the slide were able to slam against the compensator, all it would end up doing is pulling the inner barrel, and again, the inner barrel isn't connected to the outer barrel. The outer barrel is free moving, and the problem right now is that the outer barrel isn't moving forward anymore. It needs a way to be pulled or pushed back forward. That's why an outer barrel mounted compensator (or ring) would work. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

Hi-Capa 4.3 : Creation Outer Barrel Compatibility with PGC slide

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