Guarder TAIWAN 5.56mm T65K2 AEG

Kid · February 10th, 2006, 23:37

Anyway, time to drag this thread from the dust.

Has anyone picked one up?

If you haven't noticed, it's good news. $360 from RedWolf and WGC.

Though the barrel is long... and I hate that, if I can get rid of my ICS in time for this to still be in stock... I think this will be in my cards.

Still, would like a review, or more info. Anything really.

MadMax · February 13th, 2006, 19:45

I just got 3 in stock on Friday!

The finish is a little gross. Looks like a kind of cheap Asian product, but I have a feeling that the real steel is actually nastier looking. I'm at ShotShow right now and saw some Chinese AKs and some Russian wares at a collectors booth. They're downright ogly and have the value engineered feel you come to expect from ChiCom kind of weaponry. Castings often have tool flashing (busted off bits at the parting line of the casting tool). Big fat slopppy tolerances which are great for not jamming with sand or grime (a lot of clearance) but they make for crummy aesthetics.

I have to admit that the TM AKs are not very realistic to me now. They're just too clean. Wide issue Chinese stocks are made from materials that are kind of close to pallet grade wood. At least they're cross laminated so they don't develop a huge warp.

Mmmmm... Select grade M14 with thermal imaging scope... The HK MP7 is an incredible bit of sub gun.

When I get back, I'll power up a Guarder TW Armalite and see how it does. First impressions are not bad though. It's certainly got heft. The barrel is also in pretty stiff. Stock metal body and a stiff outer barrel. I don't think this thing will develop barrel wobble.

DuffMan · February 13th, 2006, 21:11

What about this 'recoil stock' thing that we've been specualting on?

Jar|-|ead · February 13th, 2006, 21:14

WOW a AEG Hard-Kick...first time for me...lol

Mysteryfish · February 13th, 2006, 23:37

Yeh, Madmax, kindof agree about the whole "too clean" thing.

It contributes to the toy-like feel of some guns.

How are the innards on those guns?

Gryphon · February 14th, 2006, 01:26

It's about as fair to call this gun a Guarder product as it would be to say the Vibe is manufactured by Pontiac. This gun is actually built by a company called Lihyang or something to that effect; looks like Guarder only stuck their name on it to get it to market. Which is too bad because it seems to be very mediocre and is sullying Guarder's reputation.

[Lithium] · February 19th, 2006, 07:20

Stock reminds me of the one off the ar-18
http://world.guns.ru/assault/ar180b.jpg

and the foregrip looks almost like the one on the ar-10a2
http://world.guns.ru/assault/ar10a2.jpg

The Saint · February 19th, 2006, 18:04

Still waiting on that review you promise, MadMax.

In any case, I've always thought the real T65K2 looked a little bit cheap, at least from the pictures I've seen. If my parents didn't skadoo to Canada, I'd have had to hump one around by now. :lol:

OTTAWAlonewolf · February 19th, 2006, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaidin

Am I the only one who thinks that thing is ugly as hell?

NONONONO :sad:

OTTAWAlonewolf · February 19th, 2006, 23:03

u guys would need some Taiwanese camo for that !!!

let me know if u need some :salute:

enoh · February 21st, 2006, 23:05

any word on what that "hard kick" is like?

MadMax · February 21st, 2006, 23:44

The gun certainly bucks more than most AEGs. I can't say it's anything like recoil though.

At first the semi auto seems a little buggy, but I think it's because of the decocking feature. If you switch to safe from semi, the gun decocks. I note that semi works as expected on the second shot but the first pull seems a little wierd.

Out of the box, the gun chronos 381 +/- 3fps which is pretty consistent. I haven't tried the hop up yet.

The overall build is very stiff. No sign of barrel wobble. I don't know if this gun could develop it as I'm not willing to field NIB guns I plan to sell. It's definitely heavy. Almost every exterior part is metal. The only plastic parts on the outside are the stock and grip.

The stock finish is pretty nice and grippy.

I haven't had a chance to look into the mechbox yet.

MadMax · February 23rd, 2006, 04:06

Sigh. In the end these AEGs are not field worthy.

Guarder pushed them as preupgraded AEGs, but they said nothing about the mechbox. The stock gears are plastic. The demo model I powered up has already shredded it's bevel gear despite only firing a few rounds. I'm not sure if it's possible to refit them for TM mechboxes, but they're certainly garbage if they don't release metal gears.

Such a shame because the bodies are pretty well made. I don't know how they thought they could get away with 380fps and plastic gears. Guarder mentioned to me that they were planning to release upgrade components for these AEGs. I'll have to see if I can get them to do some metal gears. These AEGs are not saleable with the stock plastic gears.

Gaah. I have three of the damn things and they're not saleable as game guns until Guarder releases metal gears...

nic_s · July 13th, 2006, 02:54

BUMP, for great justice and more info from those that own this gun. Is it true then that it's not made by Guarder?

I'm seriously considering buying this gun, so any input would be greatly appreciated.

MadMax · July 13th, 2006, 03:17

I would have to warn against the Guarder marketed TK65. Great feeling model with good aesthetics, but the gears are utter garbage.

They're brittle plastic for an AEG which shoots around 380fps stock. The ridicululous bummer is that the gears are proprietary. Sagami motor (same maker as TM motors), really rugged build, and garbage gears and piston not substitutable with TM stuff. I have a small hope that the mechbox parts could be replaced with the two piece ICS box, but in the stock build without a complete gear change the TK65 is just a great model.

In about 30 shots, I stripped the bevel gear and cracked the piston. So I'm stuck with 3x TK65's that I took a gamble with and can't sell because of the crap gears.

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February 13th, 2006, 19:45	#32
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	I just got 3 in stock on Friday! The finish is a little gross. Looks like a kind of cheap Asian product, but I have a feeling that the real steel is actually nastier looking. I'm at ShotShow right now and saw some Chinese AKs and some Russian wares at a collectors booth. They're downright ogly and have the value engineered feel you come to expect from ChiCom kind of weaponry. Castings often have tool flashing (busted off bits at the parting line of the casting tool). Big fat slopppy tolerances which are great for not jamming with sand or grime (a lot of clearance) but they make for crummy aesthetics. I have to admit that the TM AKs are not very realistic to me now. They're just too clean. Wide issue Chinese stocks are made from materials that are kind of close to pallet grade wood. At least they're cross laminated so they don't develop a huge warp. Mmmmm... Select grade M14 with thermal imaging scope... The HK MP7 is an incredible bit of sub gun. When I get back, I'll power up a Guarder TW Armalite and see how it does. First impressions are not bad though. It's certainly got heft. The barrel is also in pretty stiff. Stock metal body and a stiff outer barrel. I don't think this thing will develop barrel wobble. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

February 13th, 2006, 21:11	#33
DuffMan Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2004	What about this 'recoil stock' thing that we've been specualting on? __________________ "He resisted. I asked him to comply." "Telling him to 'eat it, bitch' is not really a request."

February 19th, 2006, 07:20	#37
[Lithium] Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vancouver	Stock reminds me of the one off the ar-18 http://world.guns.ru/assault/ar180b.jpg and the foregrip looks almost like the one on the ar-10a2 http://world.guns.ru/assault/ar10a2.jpg __________________ HeL is another name i go by

February 10th, 2006, 23:37	#31
Kid Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moose Jaw, SK	Anyway, time to drag this thread from the dust. Has anyone picked one up? If you haven't noticed, it's good news. $360 from RedWolf and WGC. Though the barrel is long... and I hate that, if I can get rid of my ICS in time for this to still be in stock... I think this will be in my cards. Still, would like a review, or more info. Anything really.

February 13th, 2006, 21:14	#34
Jar\|-\|ead Banned Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005	WOW a AEG Hard-Kick...first time for me...lol

February 13th, 2006, 23:37	#35
Mysteryfish Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North Vancouver, B.C.	Yeh, Madmax, kindof agree about the whole "too clean" thing. It contributes to the toy-like feel of some guns. How are the innards on those guns?

February 14th, 2006, 01:26	#36
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	It's about as fair to call this gun a Guarder product as it would be to say the Vibe is manufactured by Pontiac. This gun is actually built by a company called Lihyang or something to that effect; looks like Guarder only stuck their name on it to get it to market. Which is too bad because it seems to be very mediocre and is sullying Guarder's reputation.

February 19th, 2006, 18:04	#38
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Still waiting on that review you promise, MadMax. In any case, I've always thought the real T65K2 looked a little bit cheap, at least from the pictures I've seen. If my parents didn't skadoo to Canada, I'd have had to hump one around by now. :lol: __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

February 19th, 2006, 23:03	#40
OTTAWAlonewolf Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ottawa ! where dirt bag like me live	u guys would need some Taiwanese camo for that !!! let me know if u need some :salute:

February 21st, 2006, 23:05	#41
enoh Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Toronto	any word on what that "hard kick" is like?

February 21st, 2006, 23:44	#42
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	The gun certainly bucks more than most AEGs. I can't say it's anything like recoil though. At first the semi auto seems a little buggy, but I think it's because of the decocking feature. If you switch to safe from semi, the gun decocks. I note that semi works as expected on the second shot but the first pull seems a little wierd. Out of the box, the gun chronos 381 +/- 3fps which is pretty consistent. I haven't tried the hop up yet. The overall build is very stiff. No sign of barrel wobble. I don't know if this gun could develop it as I'm not willing to field NIB guns I plan to sell. It's definitely heavy. Almost every exterior part is metal. The only plastic parts on the outside are the stock and grip. The stock finish is pretty nice and grippy. I haven't had a chance to look into the mechbox yet. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

February 23rd, 2006, 04:06	#43
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	Sigh. In the end these AEGs are not field worthy. Guarder pushed them as preupgraded AEGs, but they said nothing about the mechbox. The stock gears are plastic. The demo model I powered up has already shredded it's bevel gear despite only firing a few rounds. I'm not sure if it's possible to refit them for TM mechboxes, but they're certainly garbage if they don't release metal gears. Such a shame because the bodies are pretty well made. I don't know how they thought they could get away with 380fps and plastic gears. Guarder mentioned to me that they were planning to release upgrade components for these AEGs. I'll have to see if I can get them to do some metal gears. These AEGs are not saleable with the stock plastic gears. Gaah. I have three of the damn things and they're not saleable as game guns until Guarder releases metal gears... __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

July 13th, 2006, 02:54	#44
nic_s Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: BC	BUMP, for great justice and more info from those that own this gun. Is it true then that it's not made by Guarder? I'm seriously considering buying this gun, so any input would be greatly appreciated. __________________ ...and she's terribly partial to the periwinkle blue.

July 13th, 2006, 03:17	#45
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	I would have to warn against the Guarder marketed TK65. Great feeling model with good aesthetics, but the gears are utter garbage. They're brittle plastic for an AEG which shoots around 380fps stock. The ridicululous bummer is that the gears are proprietary. Sagami motor (same maker as TM motors), really rugged build, and garbage gears and piston not substitutable with TM stuff. I have a small hope that the mechbox parts could be replaced with the two piece ICS box, but in the stock build without a complete gear change the TK65 is just a great model. In about 30 shots, I stripped the bevel gear and cracked the piston. So I'm stuck with 3x TK65's that I took a gamble with and can't sell because of the crap gears. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

Guarder TAIWAN 5.56mm T65K2 AEG

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