WETTI AWSS M4 GBBR vs KJ M4 GBB vs G&P WOC M4

[Eeyore]

Originally Posted by lexbroski

Every new KJW I've seen shot around 500FPS or higher outta the box. Not gamable at most fields.

My apologies, I checked and it states 320fps with duster not propane.

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by aZn_triXta07

500FPS Full-Automatic = Prohibited Device

You might not want to be posting this on a forum where LEOs are lurking about.

500fps with .2s doesn't surpass airgun energy limits.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by aZn_triXta07

500FPS Full-Automatic = Prohibited Device

You might not want to be posting this on a forum where LEOs are lurking about.

Come on, you're into real steel, you know better than that.

[aZn_triXta07]

Whoops

[Thanh]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

Hi Tsquared, it may literally come down to how much money you are willing to invest in the long run. Inokatsu is the top of the line but at about $2300 plus hundred for a valve and upgrated parts to game it and mags it is usually out of most players limit. G&P WOCs are fantastic guns but they also require parts to become gamable and mags so you are usually looking at around $2500. KJ M4 is gamable out of the box IIRC and has a little cool down but I heard some have issues with its depenability. And the mags are expensive too. Lastly there is WE, generaly they are around the same price range as a KJ but need a new valve to be gamable. And as nooblord said some individual guns have quality issues while others love them. Besides cost of the WE being relatively low, mags are less expensive than all the other gbbrs. So its really a question of how much money and effort you are willing to sink into what amounts to a really cool toy. Take your time and read reviews, get av'ed and go to some games and ask players who are running gas rifles what their experiances with them are. Gas guns are only getting more popular and the every company seems to be turning one out. They are not going anywhere.

This is Tsquared, I found my old account. Admins are going to delete my Tsquared account, its been taken care of...

Now about what you said, this is NOT my first airsoft gun, my previous airsoft gun was a TM M4A1 RIS.

My budget for the gun alone(not including additional mags or anything else) is $500 range. I have a crap load of accessories and ad ons in my closet somewhere.

My thought process is this:

I've been playing paintball for the last couple of months, pure milsim style stuff. Only problem with paintball is expensive and really heavy carrying all the gear plus 8 paintball pods, and a heavy as CO2 tank + gun. Gets really heavy. I consider trying out a Milsig or Rap4 for paintballing.. but I would get owned hard core against those who bring speedball markers, or have a 300 bullet hopper. The milsig's and Rap4 mags carry about 19 bullets, and are a lot bigger guns then airsoft.

So For milsim or cqb games, I'd probably rock some airsoft games from time to time.

Realism is important to me but reliability is also important. The KJW look great and seem to be the best bang for your buck with 2 mags including in the package...

[z0ng]

I recently purchased a WETTI AWSS M4 GBBR. I've been very happy with it's performance. There has been one problem with a roller pin coming loose on the hammer. I just dealt with this once and for all the other day after a night game by replacing the hammer.

Aside from this one issue the gun has been solid for me. I run duster in it for indoor games and get 350fps, at outdoor I run propane and get 400 (with .2's). I've not had to screw with anything since I got it with the exception of the hammer issue.

This is an all metal gun though, and I paid $1000 for it not $500. You might want to consider saving some additional money so you can get yourself an all metal one.

[Eeyore]

Well at your price there are three options, a G&P WOC with a clear lower (this can be upgraded after to a full metal receiver), a WE M4A1, or a WE SCAR. All three guns need a RA-Tech valve to lower the velocity to gamable levels. Magazines for the WOC cost about $80 each, and mags for the WE cost about $45 each. Each gun has their pros and cons. Once you get av'ed you will see the prices and have a better idea. I personally have a SCAR, but I am friends with others with WOCs who swear by them.

Originally Posted by Thanh

This is Tsquared, I found my old account. Admins are going to delete my Tsquared account, its been taken care of...

Now about what you said, this is NOT my first airsoft gun, my previous airsoft gun was a TM M4A1 RIS.

My budget for the gun alone(not including additional mags or anything else) is $500 range. I have a crap load of accessories and ad ons in my closet somewhere.

My thought process is this:

I've been playing paintball for the last couple of months, pure milsim style stuff. Only problem with paintball is expensive and really heavy carrying all the gear plus 8 paintball pods, and a heavy as CO2 tank + gun. Gets really heavy. I consider trying out a Milsig or Rap4 for paintballing.. but I would get owned hard core against those who bring speedball markers, or have a 300 bullet hopper. The milsig's and Rap4 mags carry about 19 bullets, and are a lot bigger guns then airsoft.

So For milsim or cqb games, I'd probably rock some airsoft games from time to time.

Realism is important to me but reliability is also important. The KJW look great and seem to be the best bang for your buck with 2 mags including in the package...

[theshaneler]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

Well at your price there are three options, a G&P WOC with a clear lower (this can be upgraded after to a full metal receiver), a WE M4A1, or a WE SCAR. All three guns need a RA-Tech valve to lower the velocity to gamable levels. Magazines for the WOC cost about $80 each, and mags for the WE cost about $45 each. Each gun has their pros and cons. Once you get av'ed you will see the prices and have a better idea. I personally have a SCAR, but I am friends with others with WOCs who swear by them.

totally left KJW in your list. they are probably the best GBBR for new/intro users who are on a limited budget.

[Eeyore]

Originally Posted by theshaneler

totally left KJW in your list. they are probably the best GBBR for new/intro users who are on a limited budget.

Oops, I did leave it out by mistake. I'm not sure that i agree with them being the best intro GBBR though.

So the KJW with a clear lower also fits into your price range and it comes with two mags. It has a better cool down than others because of the gas system used. It also requires a new valve to game and mags are about $75 each.

[Thenooblord]

i can get KJW mags for $50 each, dunno why retailers ask so much

[theshaneler]

ya KJW mags are the same price as WE mags on redwolf.

the price hike is most likely due to the fact that NO ONE has any KJW mags in stock

[Thanh]

$1000 for full metal. but 500ish for full metal but the lower receiver. However I see a full metal lower receiever selling for $90 bucks. There must be more to it then just a full body metal...

Otherwise it would make sense to get one with a clear lower and buy the metal body after..

I used to remember the days when these guns didnt need clear lower receivers... and no av those were the days lol.

[pusangani]

I must be too new but I don't ever remember them being called markers

[Thenooblord]

markers is paintball,

[Thanh]

Originally Posted by Thenooblord

markers is paintball,

Lol. Sorry As you can see I'm still in the paintball mind set.