KSC UMP vs KWA KP45 Help

Jtatham4 · March 24th, 2011, 07:53

Hi Forum, racking my brain here trying to make a decision, and I thought you experts might help me.

I have decided to acquire a new GBB pistol and have paired it down to one of these two:

Ksc usp .45 S7 (Taiwan version) OR Kwa KP45 ns2

What are the differences?
which one would you buy?
Why is the ksc over $100 more?

My main criteria for a pistol are:

Quality build
Quality replica
Domestic Propane/Green Gas
High FPS
Accuracy

Hope you guys don't mind helping a noob make up his mind.

Thanks

Styrak · March 24th, 2011, 08:17

The KSC is $100 because of the name, and bit more QC. May also have correct trades on it, not sure.
Also, by "ump" I think you mean "USP".

Either would be a good choice.

Mobbs · March 24th, 2011, 08:43

KWA all the way,have a Match and had no problem,I think the best brand for GBB's,pistols.

Frozen Tex · March 24th, 2011, 08:50

KSC = KWA

Same stuff, different markings. KSC uses realistic trades, KWA says... "KWA" all over the guns. Mags from KSC System 7 are compatible with KWA New System 2, and vice versa.

If you want realistic look, get KSC.
If you don't care that it say KWA, Made In Taiwan all over the gun, get KWA.

I have 2 KSC pistol (Sig P226R, M1911A1) and a KWA MP9 subgun. I love them all.

Jtatham4 · March 24th, 2011, 09:10

I'm seeing that the fps ratings are a bit higher on the kwa is this possible or are they rated based on different propellants? Is the KSC built for domestic propane right out of the box? I read that ksc is built for duster like TM.

I'm so confused?

m102404 · March 24th, 2011, 09:21

From everything I've heard from KWA and others...(generalizing a bit) KWA is KSC US market rebrand. They also purport to strengthen and beef up some parts to take GreenGas/Propane vs. their duster rated counter part (that was their party line when I asked about the MP7 models). Comparing the nozzles/piston cups/etc...that seemed to be the case.

KSC models are very nicely built and very accurate in detail. KWA's look like a "clone" of them. Finish, goofy trades, etc...

For many of the pistols the KWA versions shot incredibly hard right out of the box...some pistols hitting 400fps on hot days. They shot that way right up until they beat themselves to death (either blowing pistons or wearing out parts). There is something to be said about running a gas gun within it's operational parameters and having it last a long time.

You can certainly take a KSC and "upgrade" it to be whatever you want. Some KWA's are just great (minus the finish and lack of real trades) out of the box. Other ones I wouldn't get without securing some spare parts to swap in for breakage replacements.

Personally, I'd go the KSC route. Swap out the plastic slide and a stiffer recoil spring if needed.

Dire_Wolf · March 24th, 2011, 09:25

Ksc/kwa will run on propane out of the box, on 95% of the models I've seen.(and I only 95 because I can't guarantee there isn't one model that doesn't like propane) Trades are the only difference I've ever seen. System 7 and ns2 are essentially the same system.

They are marketed for different countries, hence the trades difference, and the countries' fps laws are different, so that's marketed differently as well.

I'm fairly sure that they are basically different subsidiaries of the same company. Like future shop and best buy

sushicake · March 24th, 2011, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dire_Wolf

Ksc/kwa will run on propane out of the box, on 95% of the models I've seen.(and I only 95 because I can't guarantee there isn't one model that doesn't like propane) Trades are the only difference I've ever seen. System 7 and ns2 are essentially the same system.

They are marketed for different countries, hence the trades difference, and the countries' fps laws are different, so that's marketed differently as well.

I'm fairly sure that they are basically different subsidiaries of the same company. Like future shop and best buy

The S7 and Ns2 are the same system but IIRC some of the guns mags are different depending on what version you have, and are not interchangeable with one another.

Dire_Wolf · March 24th, 2011, 15:36

i think you're right, but model dependent... I'm pretty sure the USP model ns2/system7 is interchangeable....

I know I can take the OLD style USP mags, put the system7 feed lips on them, and they'll work fine... but radically different mags like the KJW USP mags won't even fit properly...

Jtatham4 · March 24th, 2011, 17:14

Just handed over the cash for the KSC. I hope the "You get what you pay for" principle applies in here. Thanks.

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March 24th, 2011, 07:53	#1
Jtatham4 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto	KSC UMP vs KWA KP45 Help Hi Forum, racking my brain here trying to make a decision, and I thought you experts might help me. I have decided to acquire a new GBB pistol and have paired it down to one of these two: Ksc usp .45 S7 (Taiwan version) OR Kwa KP45 ns2 What are the differences? which one would you buy? Why is the ksc over $100 more? My main criteria for a pistol are: Quality build Quality replica Domestic Propane/Green Gas High FPS Accuracy Hope you guys don't mind helping a noob make up his mind. Thanks Last edited by Jtatham4; March 24th, 2011 at 09:06..

March 24th, 2011, 08:17	#2
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	The KSC is $100 because of the name, and bit more QC. May also have correct trades on it, not sure. Also, by "ump" I think you mean "USP". Either would be a good choice. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

March 24th, 2011, 08:43	#3
Mobbs Fake Airborne Soldier Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London Ontario	KWA all the way,have a Match and had no problem,I think the best brand for GBB's,pistols. __________________ ICS AK74M, TM AUG A1, KWA USP Match, KWA MAC 11, Echo 1 SCAR, JG G36KV Adrenaline A-Team Captain Level 2 BA Sniper Certified www.londonairsoft.com

March 24th, 2011, 08:50	#4
Frozen Tex Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Yellowknife, NT, Great White North	KSC = KWA Same stuff, different markings. KSC uses realistic trades, KWA says... "KWA" all over the guns. Mags from KSC System 7 are compatible with KWA New System 2, and vice versa. If you want realistic look, get KSC. If you don't care that it say KWA, Made In Taiwan all over the gun, get KWA. I have 2 KSC pistol (Sig P226R, M1911A1) and a KWA MP9 subgun. I love them all. __________________ Delenda Est Carthago

March 24th, 2011, 09:10	#5
Jtatham4 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto	I'm seeing that the fps ratings are a bit higher on the kwa is this possible or are they rated based on different propellants? Is the KSC built for domestic propane right out of the box? I read that ksc is built for duster like TM. I'm so confused?

March 24th, 2011, 09:21	#6
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	From everything I've heard from KWA and others...(generalizing a bit) KWA is KSC US market rebrand. They also purport to strengthen and beef up some parts to take GreenGas/Propane vs. their duster rated counter part (that was their party line when I asked about the MP7 models). Comparing the nozzles/piston cups/etc...that seemed to be the case. KSC models are very nicely built and very accurate in detail. KWA's look like a "clone" of them. Finish, goofy trades, etc... For many of the pistols the KWA versions shot incredibly hard right out of the box...some pistols hitting 400fps on hot days. They shot that way right up until they beat themselves to death (either blowing pistons or wearing out parts). There is something to be said about running a gas gun within it's operational parameters and having it last a long time. You can certainly take a KSC and "upgrade" it to be whatever you want. Some KWA's are just great (minus the finish and lack of real trades) out of the box. Other ones I wouldn't get without securing some spare parts to swap in for breakage replacements. Personally, I'd go the KSC route. Swap out the plastic slide and a stiffer recoil spring if needed.

March 24th, 2011, 09:25	#7
Dire_Wolf Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta	Ksc/kwa will run on propane out of the box, on 95% of the models I've seen.(and I only 95 because I can't guarantee there isn't one model that doesn't like propane) Trades are the only difference I've ever seen. System 7 and ns2 are essentially the same system. They are marketed for different countries, hence the trades difference, and the countries' fps laws are different, so that's marketed differently as well. I'm fairly sure that they are basically different subsidiaries of the same company. Like future shop and best buy __________________ Current Gear: TM G36C/SL-9, WE M14, WE PDW, KWA USP, KJW USP Tactical Future Gear: TM PSG1, M700, ARES DSR-1 v2

March 24th, 2011, 15:36	#9
Dire_Wolf Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta	i think you're right, but model dependent... I'm pretty sure the USP model ns2/system7 is interchangeable.... I know I can take the OLD style USP mags, put the system7 feed lips on them, and they'll work fine... but radically different mags like the KJW USP mags won't even fit properly... __________________ Current Gear: TM G36C/SL-9, WE M14, WE PDW, KWA USP, KJW USP Tactical Future Gear: TM PSG1, M700, ARES DSR-1 v2

March 24th, 2011, 17:14	#10
Jtatham4 Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto	Just handed over the cash for the KSC. I hope the "You get what you pay for" principle applies in here. Thanks.

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