Whats the difference?

[HeadlessChicken]

Planning on getting an MP7 GBB but I hadn't noticed this when I was shopping for 1.

KSC System7, I believe this is the 40th anniversary limited edition that people raved about a month ago? Then I found this KWA/Umarex MP7.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I was to understand that KSC and KWA are the same company. So what is the difference between the 2 GBBs to justify almost a $100US price difference? The KWA hasn't been released so I haven't found any info via google.

[L473ncy]

One is the OEM company for the other.

One is located in Taiwan and the other Japan. The "Taiwanese version" is essentially the OEM product whereas when you buy the "Japanese version" supposedly the QC is better or something.

[Erennert]

I wish we had a CQB around here....

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

One is the OEM company for the other.

One is located in Taiwan and the other Japan. The "Taiwanese version" is essentially the OEM product whereas when you buy the "Japanese version" supposedly the QC is better or something.

KSC is the OEM, it's based out of Japan, parts get sent to Taiwan for assembly, get sent out as KWA, the ones that are labelled as KSC get sent back to Japan for a second QC, then shipped out.

Then again, KSC and KWA Glock 19 frames are TOTALLY different, weight and material (and quality), and some KSC have the Japan stamp on the frame somewhere, others don't. So I'm really not sure if they are the asme company or even related, KSC could be also Taiwan based for assembly, totally separate from KWA.

[HeadlessChicken]

So essentially, both could potentially be the same gun but the KSC has the added cost of additional quality control? Or at the very least, have been produced from a different factory with more or less, the same parts.

[The Saint]

KSC charges a little more than they should, while KWA actually undercuts KSC pricing. Any additional QC on KSC's part is doubtful.

Same Taiwanese factory, same Taiwanese parts.

Actual differences:
- Material (KSC intended for the Japanese market has a lower metal content, KSC intended for rest of Asia is the same as KWA)
- Power (KSC intended for the Japanese market has its power limited, KSC intended for rest of Asia is the same as KWA)
- Market (KSC is Asia, KWA is US and EU)
- Trademark/model (ex. KWA avoid Glocks due to Glock's very active legal team, while KSC has Glocks since it operates in countries where Glock has trouble enforcing copyright)

[CDN_Stalker]

Ok, that's confusing as shit. Lol

[Donster]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Then again, KSC and KWA Glock 19 frames are TOTALLY different, weight and material (and quality), and some KSC have the Japan stamp on the frame somewhere, others don't.

Scared me for a second until i realized that i ordered a KSC Taiwan USP. NOT a KWA USP. but i agree. the KWA stuff is not as good as the KSC (regardless if it is the Japan or Taiwan based stuff).

the Japanese and Taiwanese KSC products are identical save for trades (more on the Japan version) and apparently, the Japan version has higher QC. other than that, they are identical. The same can NOT be said for KWA.

(i thought) KWA was a USA based company that took its products from KSCs Taiwanese assembly line. Essentially, their guns are KSC guns made for the American market.

[CDN_Stalker]

I have two KSC G19s and a parts gun KWA G19, totally different frames, the KWA is shiney black and lightweight, the KSCs are a dark greyish colour and heavier. If KWA is the same company as KSC, why does the KWA come stock with a metal slide and the KSC doesn't have that as an option?

EDIT: My bad, been a long time since I explained this, I now remember that KSC has it's base in Japan and has assembly in Taiwan, hence the KSC guns and the KSC Japanese version. KWA has nothing to do with KSC at all, except identical design.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

If KWA is the same company as KSC, why does the KWA come stock with a metal slide and the KSC doesn't have that as an option?

KSC with metal slide and frame are available. They're generally labelled as "Taiwan version", or something to that effect.

KWA was spawned directly off KSC, and are still closely connected.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by The Saint

KSC with metal slide and frame are available. They're generally labelled as "Taiwan version", or something to that effect.

KWA was spawned directly off KSC, and are still closely connected.

I've owned both the Japan and Taiwanese versions of the G19, both are identical, except for the two Japanese versions have JAPAN stamped in the frame where the rail notch is. None came with a metal slide. (I've owned five Glock 19s, three are KSC Japan, one was Taiwanese, the other is KWA, the only one that comes with a metal slide........and cheapo frame.)

I can believe the latter part of your post though, parts are identical design wise and are interchangable.

[The Saint]

It really isn't about whether to believe me or not, it's all about browsing HK retailer sites.

For example: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=13385

You'll also notice that most of non-Glock GBBs under KSC are listed with metal slides, or metal slide and frame.

[Tex]

It's funny years ago when I needed parts for a KSC gun they told be I had to contact KWA because they handle all out of japan business. but now they are trying to separate themselves from KSC and say they are an OEM for KSC and two different companies.

http://www.kwausa.com/cs_faqs.html

[HeadlessChicken]

So it seems the general consensus is KSC.

Now heres is the next question. I was told that because the gun is too new, there are no replacement or aftermarket parts. My concern here is that because the KSC is limited production, will I see any parts for this gun at all? Will the KWA MP7 be the same?

[m102404]

I'll tear into a KSC MP7 later this week. I have no idea what nozzle/parts/replacement parts it'll take...but I aim to find out.

Tys