Review Request: KJ Works/TK GBBR M4
 

As title says.

Curious as to the quality.

I also have yet to see pictures of the canadian version.

I MAY end up buying the cansoft version from Ken007 once I see it in stock, I'm sorta curious myself though I highly doubt there are any in country just yet.

Supposedly buyairsoft.ca has em.

Hmmm should buy this or the velocity arms m16 ris this week i get the VA i get aved i get this i need alot of money to get extra mags. hmmm the desicions . lol what to get for a renter gun ;p

What? Please use punctuation =P

I just got back from work , sorry .

Puncuation isn't realy the first thing in my mind more like sleep .

No worries.

Get some sleep and then repost.

Cheers.

Buyairsoft has a bit of a bad rep though when I first started buying airguns, first through them, I didn't have any major issues but I think I may have gotten lucky. I'd rather support someone like Ken anyways. From what I've read, hes done a lot for the community and he was very helpful when I started into airsoft even though I never bought from him.

Arnies' airsoft has reveiw for standard version.
Just to feed people
TK design:
better combating cool down
efficient fps.
At carbine length it shoots over 525.
Moving parts still breaks intrudershop sells replacement
no fps adjustment at this moment
stock is unique, ar-14 won't work

before the clear guns were even around i was going to buy from ken he was extremly helpfull from what i could tell and answered every question i posed i was about to put in an order ,hes the oldest airsoft retailer he hasn't closed down like the rest of them .music came up and that cost like 4000-5000 so i left for about 2 years i mean i've been on this forum alot longer then most just haven't had the money

now that my music gear is taken care of i can spend my money on airsoft

The gun has it's own gas regulation system you simply switch to using duster for indoor and green gas outdoor and the numbers that everyone else is getting are 400 flat for green gas i believe

I forgot like a whole section of that

Be Informed,
Saturday Triple H Airsoft out of Edmonton held an event Saturday which had the first stock shipped to them from Canadian Airgun Supply Friday (C.A.S. is the exclusive importer of the KJ Works M4). My local dealer also had his order placed Friday with C.A.S. I also emailed BuyAirsoft and was told they are 'in-stock now'.

Dealt with both 007airsoft & buyairsoft and haven't a bad thing to say about either. With both I've had shipping issues, but the main focus here is 'SHIPPING' issues, neither having anything to do with the actual companies.

Review of the M4 found here on RedWolf titled-
"KJ Works M4- Possibly the best performing GBB out of the box"
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=240

Quoted for truth.

People seem to always say, avoid buyairsoft like the plague, but i have never had any issues with them. One time they shipped the wrong gun to my friend, and as an apology they let him keep it, and shipped him the replacement the next day, express.

I dunno, maybe we just got lucky

That being said, I still completely agree with what was said about Ken, Hes a real stand up guy.

Completely agreed.

I wasnt saying that buyairsoft was at all reputable, only that they seemed to be the only retailers with it in stock.

Does ken use ASC? Whats his username?

Here's my take, slightly off topic yes, but in response to you TheGuy.
I think what happened, and still kind of is, Buyairsoft has a lot of product NO ONE on these forums would even consider purchasing (*sh*tsoft). However, more recently, they have been carrying (from what I've found) more and more QUALITY airsoft product like KJW & G&G. To my knowledge, these are the highest quality products we Canadians have access to which have been deemed by Canada Customs and our laws as "100% LEGAL" & WITHOUT any grey areas about them. Most* people on these (I use an '*' by Most* as I know this is not everyone) forums have access to the for sale threads where guns that have been illegally smuggled into the country have a safe place to be purchased and sold on. For this reason, even going to the website buyairsoft.ca is just a waste of time for them.

So Buyairsoft sells some sh*t, yes, so what, they also carry some quality product. I have never had a problem with them, nor have any of my team mates. To everyone their own, and I'm sure there is not a retailer out there that has never had a customer that had a complaint about them. You can always find something negative that was said about someone or something if you search for it. People are WAY more likely to complain about something than to say something positive. Either way, like I said earlier, to each their own, and I have nothing but good to say about both 007 & Buyairsoft (now shootsoft on the other hand.....let's not get started there :D

Ken from 007 is KenC on ASC

PMed him.

He's away on vacation, though, isnt he?

yep hes on vacation

Great, thanks.

They are going to be carrying them, right?

yes ken was first to anounce it but if you can't wait order from buy airsoft

I think Ken will have them available by mid November.

Hmm, big delay between buyairsoft.ca and 007.
I would expect Ken to get them sooner if anything.

I believe CAS is the executive distributer for this one.

Makes sense they would want to sell it through they're store before they get it out to the rest of their distributors.

Ah, okay.

I forgot buyairsoft was affiliated with CAS.

These are now available to any dealer affiliated with CAS (including myself :P). I talked to my sales rep on the phone today, and he confirmed they have them and the 1911 in stock.

Jeff

so let's say it's $530 ish to get one with tinted lower... and then another $80+ to get a metal lower from one of the AV retailers here - why not just custom order one since they go for about $290 US overseas, which should be around $600~650 ish once it's said and done with? Wouldn't that be easier?

Yeap, tinted lower one comes with two mags don't forgot, thats an extra +/- 75 bucks

To be entirely honest, I dont know who to order from.

get age verified.

It's pending.

So if your getting AV'ed then just wait and realize how big if a regret you will have over your head by getting one of these.

dude your formula is wrong,
2(Price of original + Shipping + Tax)X Currency exchange = Usual price.

It would be more or so $800+


More like how one would be disappointed, you folks over-glorified what's available. There's China crap, overprice stuff, and the usual tinted lower, with rarely what you want.

Hmm, what do you mean?

They look far better then the AGM, which is around the same price.

Any other option is either crap or out of my price range.

I understand the merits of getting AVed, thats why I am doing it, but I dont see what that has to do with the choice of gun in this case.

I am not buying a POS CAS that costs the same as a good all black gun here.

His point is that GBBRs in general are a hassle and often cost astronomical amounts.

a classic army gun that costs 260-300 us will cost roughly 500-580 here, so by no means should any other retailer charge more then that for a gun.

here the kjw halfclear is 490$ so to go and charge a 200$ premium for a lower reciever is absolutly a rip off the most it should go for is 560 with the metal lower that is fair pricing .

and you still get your 2 magazines

well gbbr's are going to run you, if your just about the moolah, obviously any gbbr is going to be a hassle on your wallet. I have a g&p gbbr and it already has a few broken parts. if your concerned about money your better off buying an aeg.

My question is that if kjw internals are clones of other company gbbr internals? that if it were to fail you can just buy a WA part and throw it in there no prob?

completely diffrent system

different that WA or different from all?
thats pretty sketchy. better off waiting a year for kinks to be worked out then cause even my g&p is fucked at the moment.

Here's some cost examples
- King Arms FAL Carbine cost $800 + 11 mags at ~$30/mag (this was a must have it at any price purchase...paying full asking price...some mags were cheaper) = $1075
- used PTW, rebuilt with 2008 VUK, extra cylinder, batt + 8 mags $1600 + 5 saber mags (free) generously given to me by a buddy...some extra springs for different FPS and new batt ($140) = Total ~$1800
- WE M4 AWSS + 5 mags $930...extra nozzle kit ($60) = ~$1000
- KSC MP7 + 2 mag ~$500 + 2 more mags ($130) = ~$650

So...there's still some mags to get for the WE M4 AWSS...and they'll run about $40-50/mag.

Now...those are all very nice setups. The comparison between the AWSS and the others is most interesting. Basically, when it's all said and done...you're looking at about $1K for a decent setup.

The range will swing between $700-1400...with the higher end being with a set of mags and some extra bits.

Flash back a couple of years...and a full metal black CA M15 with 10 mags and some bits would have run you the same amount.

Look at the present...a full metal black CA M15 with 10 mags and some bits will run you $800.

Not a whole lot of difference between anything...

(except that my wallet is always empty....:rolleyes:)

it diffrent from all the gbbr we and wa vfc

My point was that getting a GBBR is not recommended for those without any other airsoft guns as its NOT reliable enough. These are mainly for people with too much money and no sense of priorities (I keed I keed...:D) as pretty much as "whoa, fucking cool!" kinda thing. There are some people with the skill and experience necessary to game them effectively, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't mean anyone can. Theres no rush dude, get yourself a proper AEG once you get verified, integrate yourself in the sport and community and hone your skills and once you get enough money to dump into a GBBR setup then do it up.

No doubt it varies between GBBR manufacturers...

If you start high end and add high end parts to get it working reliably...toss any "typical" price total out the window. But that's the same with anything.

If you start mid-low end (est $300-400 for the rifle)...and add $300-500 worth of parts to get it skirmishable...you're at ~$600-900 for the working rifle. Then add 9 mags at approx $30-60/mag ($270-540) and you're at a total of $870-1450.

~$850-1400 isn't too far off the "typical" range I tried to describe, is it?

The ONLY issue I have with that last example though is...you (figurative) may be starting off with a base rifle that is "too low end". I've found that there's a lower floor level where it doesn't matter how much time/money you put into a really cheaply made gun...it just won't be at the same quality/reliability/performance level at the end as starting with a base that's at a higher quality level and adding stuff.

Just my $0.02...

100% agree with that.

I've got a great PTW setup (when it works) and access to at least 3 GBBR type rifles...but I'm NEVER going to go to a game without my trusty V3 AEG as a backup (add batt, add bbs, press trigger and it works)

tys out of the guns you used as an example the closet to its price overseas is the ksc mp7 overseas 340 here 500 .the we m4 is 400 and sells for 930 with 5 mags factor in each mags is about 40-50 each and the mark up of the actual rifle isnt much mabey its around 700$

On the other end of the spectrum the king arms is around 250-350 but demands a price of 800 .thats just tad bit beyond explanation on how 2 items with similar prices over seas can be in diffrent ranges over here.and how something that costs more is actualy less expensive over here

it just seems illogical to me to run your bussiness like that

I exempted the ptw since you stated it was used

It's simple.

Size, demand, and how easy they are to smuggle: All factors in the price.

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Edit: I'm terribly sorry for derailing this review thread. Please have a moderator wipe any of my posts here at your discretion. My first post in this thread was more to point out that GBBRs are probably not going to be any more/less expensive than what airsoft currently costs.
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KoolAidMan:
You're either not making sense or your concept of supply/demand/market value is a bit skewed.

It has nothing to do with how I do business. It has everything to do with a buyers wants, needs and "must have now" impulses. It's never been anything different with airsoft guns.

There's no explanation other than 3 of those guns were sold at a price that was reconciled against the needs/wants of the buyers (good value, perceived, realistic or not). I wanted a KA FAL when they were just out, rare, not widely used and a "neat thing"....and I paid a hefty premium to get it into my grubby little hands within 2 weeks.

A $100 gun sells for $350-400 here...3.5-4x markup. Why...because guys want it enough to pay that much...and because to those buyers sub $400 seems palatable (i.e. doable without having to eat Kraft Dinner for 3 months straight). Is it borderline retarded to buy a low end item at a 400% markup? Absolutely...but it happens all the time because of supply/demand/want/need.

A $1000 PTW SCK sells for $1200...hardly a markup at all. Why...because there is less demand and most guys are reluctant to spend that much (i.e. the total $$$$ committed is less palatable).

If I could have bought them cheaper, I would have of course...but I don't live overseas, nor will I try to smuggle/ship these things in directly myself. Unless you have a direct channel to buy at overseas list....the comparison of what it costs over there vs. what it costs here is not a viable comparison. It absolutely 100% sucks...but if you can't get it at overseas list, what are you to do? (answer is...1) refuse to pay the local price and go without or 2) pay the local demand price)

No worries about derailing the thread. It has been derailed since the first page.

I like the conversation; mods can you move it rather than wipe it?

Rename it M4 GBBR discussion maybe?

And To Rock and m102 etc., I agree with your point.

However, I have played airsoft for 2 years (at games, not in forests, no worries)

Im 19, and until 6 months ago I was living in england.

I played there quite a bit.

To date i have owned a JG, a CYMA and two TMs, all AEGs.

I a probably still considered a noob as I dont know too much about AEGs.

I could field strip em and thats it.
I think I am skilled enough and competent enough to buy a GBBR and be able to use it and care for it.

Is it just me or do I sound like a little girl justifying buying a new puppy?

The money factor is that I just moved into a new place with my girlfriend and money is tight. I can afford to sink maybe $400 to $600 now, and regular smaller investments later as needed.

Upgrading is not an issue, its just that a big purchase all at once will not work right now.

Finaly, I actually do want a gun that requires more work.

You put more work in, you get more fun out, and that is very true for a GBBR.

For years, I have thought, AEGs are fun, but damn i love shooting a GBB pistol.

I want that experience all the time.

I know the disadvantages, and I still want to buy one.

Thank you for your advice, though, if I was a noob it would be perfect =P

The last thing I want is for everyone helping me to think this is another case of a noob not listening to people in the know and doing their own stupid idea, as this is not the case.

I just should have explained my situation in more detail.


Whoops. long post.

Cheers guys, and thanks for all the help. <3

Well in the end it is up to you. If you have $400-$600 to spend NOW, why not just save that money until you have closer to $900-$1000 and get a quality one with proper after-market support?

Oh and don't worry about the having to work on it part, you will never escape that in airsoft :D

tys I think that things should be more fair for the consumer .It's only my opinion afterall.

now that you explained why the ka fal was that much .I did have a similar situation were i paid a bit of a premium to get something faster around 100 more so i didnt have to wait 2 weeks to 3 months .

Because I am TERRIBLE at saving.

And to be totally honest, I have waited a good year for a decent priced GBBR.

This one, I will money around with and get a feel from GBBRs with.

If i love it, THEN i will buy a $1k one. If not then I sell it and go back to AEGs.

Either way, this is a trial gun.

I know I could rent one, but i want to get a feel for working on it, modifying it, and how it performs over long periods of time.

Hooker vs wife dilemma.

Im going for trial marriage.

So I've seen a lot of discussion surrounding GBBRs, and the like, but no one has posted any links to KJW M4 GBBR Reviews, unless I missed it...

Here's one from Arnie's:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=171349

Here's RedWolf's Review:
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=240
Quote: Possibly the best performing GBB M4 out of the box?


Hopefully I will have some cash to buy one and review on www.6mm-mag.com, but I need to sell some crap to do that. LOL. In time...

Thanks alot, reading through arnie's now.

Any Canadians ready to review this yet?

Arnies was great but I wanna hear from our side of the pond.

why don't you buy one? people who own one and want to write review will do so, otherwise its a no. (sorry getting really mad at the recent review request)

Just look at any old KJW M4 GBBR review when it's available.

All this version will have that's different is a clear lower that's all.

I will probably pick one up for myself later on, I've tried about almost all the M4 GBBRs so we'll just have to see.

I'm waiting till I hear some feedback, as I havent heard anything about the Canadian version.

I am also debating between it and the WE SCAR GBBR.

Ok i have been playing for about 5 .5 yrs now and i had an opertunity to check one one a couple of months ago at a milsim were ken was on my side . Here's a few breif pointers on the gun i saw and test fired .

- The rifle itself is of decent weight and seems to be on a higher quality
- Ken opened the gun on the field and i got to inspect internals , now the metal there seemed to be made from looks like a decent steel ( its defently not pot metal) , smooth and the parts seemed to slide togeather nice enough .
- the plastic lower reciever seems solid with no wobbles and the stock is ok
- The canadian mags are nice , hold alot of gas , got 2 mags worth with no refills , was about 20 to 25 degree's that day .
- The range of the rifle was quite good about the same as my upgraded ics aeg ( say about 120 to 150 feet approx )
- One of the reasons i was looking at one is kens service record , i have bought a few aegs, parts and accesories and hes always treated me well , and take the time out to show me the problem and how to fix it .
- I looked on the internet and there are a few companies lining up for parts and acessories , RA-tech was evualuting one on utube with no real complaints
- the recoil is good and firm , very consistate until i emptied the mag .
- I'm acually going over to kens house in mid nov , as ill have all my magpul parts , he acually going to let me try all my parts on the gun to see how it all fits . Ill be able to tell you more then about aftermark acessories .


Im at the point in my airsoft time i wanted to look at something different , and im looking at several brands or gbb rifles , some new , some used with upgraded parts and many in varoius price ranges . What i have found is that all gbb weapons be it pistols, rifles whatever always need to be fine tuned to serve the individual player . Anyways thats my 2 cents , hope it helps. Please feel free to pm me with any other questions , id be glad to help if i can

Arrrggg...Brainss!

Geddit? Zombie thread.

Quick question.

After MUCH deliberation, as you can tell from the start date of this thread, I am picking one of these up next week.

However, I know it is a new platform.

My question is, does anyone know what rail systems will fit?

Externally, it's supposed to be 100% AEG compatible.

Cool, I thought that was just the barrels.

Even a lower receiver? I wouldn't think so; wouldn't it need to fit different shaped internals?

Thanks a lot.

Nah, sorry I counted the receivers somehow as internals as the mechanism is directly on them...

In short, the outer barrels, front ends, stocks (but I'm not sure for the stock tube) and obviously rail accessories are compatible with it.

Inner barrels, hopups, receivers, and obviously the mecanism itself aren't compatible. I don't know about pistol grips.

More info right here: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=240

guys KJW M4 is a very good rifle, just had one and it is my first rifle, maaan it shoots accurate and power. I've been to a game last night at xtreme tactics and ooo maan great performance good cardio sweat like a pig gud gud gud .

If your here in winnipeg manitoba buy at xtreme tactics and your in edmonton or alberta buy on 007airsoft ships fast and capital airsoft they both good. If somebody wants to buy kjw m4 magazine the three has just chooose which is the cheapest.

On arnies forum lots of guys are switching to kjw m4 they love it and me too representing CANADA hehehe

I've heard its quite a performing gun straight out of the box. But my question is how easy is it to source out parts in case if something happens and/or upgrade options. From what I can tell right now, there are no retailers carrying any replacement or upgrade parts for KJ/TK M4 GBBR.

i know you can get replacements straight from KJW

I won one in a raffle last month. Due to being on tasking, I haven't really had any time to perfect my review. I will say, that the real steel and airsoft parts I have tried on this GBBR all fit perfectly. Overall, the only thing that I can see as being any kind of bad part is the bolt itself is plastic. Had they actually made it metal like the bolt carrier, I would have a lot less worry with the rifle itself.

As soon as I can, I will finish up the review, and post it and the pictures on here for everyone.

So after reading some at Arnies I'm confused. Does this GBBR accept VSR10 barrels? It seems to be implied that it does, then later at arnies they say it does not.

yup straight from kjw, actually i email for a quote on a bolt assembly for a spare if things work out then it will be a good news here in CANADA. I would share info on how things are working out.

regarding vsr10 barrels it would be great to pm raven or t_hum these guys are awesome and snoopy.

KJW
 

Hey guys, I bought it a few weeks ago...i've had some decent field testing, and am currently working on a good detailed review of it. As well as an acompanying Gas/ adapter/ seal safety thread... Unless someone beats me to it ;)

Hi KJW in Taiwan just email me, they already send the package, Just waiting to arrive and I'll order another set of bolt carrier assembly.I'm buying the bolt carrier assembly due to fps change indoor or out door easy change, also don't forget the upgrade velocity adjuster from cradleairsoft pretty decent.

so they have a different bolt carrier assembly so you can use it indoors?

If you have two bolt carrier groups,you install the velocity reducer into one then you can change from indoor to outdoor ,easy. (15 seconds)

yes I just install the velocity reducer at my kjw m4 and its the same kick recoil everything using propane you can look at youtube type brixx38 I made some shots and show my old bolt carrier. Intallation of the velocity reducer is at Cradleairsoft.com also in youtube, by the way the delivery from KJW in Taiwan is also pretty fast too with Clare, parts that you need for your gun kjw m4. and no more using of the duster gas 134a hehe and easy change of FPS in your gun 5mins. hope it helps some GBBR users.

how adjustable is it?

These are the results from the guy who manufactures the parts ;The tread can be found here on Arnies

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=171349


Spacing AVG FPS
0.000 385
0.045 360
0.060 340
0.090 325
0.105 310
0.120 285

These were my results at 75 deg. F on propane from initial testing of the product.

As someone who is not a real fan of the AR platform rifles, and getting to use one at work all the time, this review is going to be as harsh as I can possibly make it. First off, I won the gun in a raffle that was held by Herald from Edmonton Airsoft Regiment, which was held at the same time as his IPSC shoot. By the way, that was an amazing event, and I hope there is another one in December. Good job Herald.

Ok, now on the gun. It comes in a rather standard cardboard box with a black image of the KJW M4 on the front. The left has: KJ Works M4 Carbine Designed by Tanio Koba. With “Gas Blow Back” in the top right corner of the box. Inside, there is the wonderful standard form cut Styrofoam that holds everything. In the box you get the gun itself, two, yes I said TWO, magazines, small box of BBs, loading tool, and standard literature.

Ok, enough boring standard stuff. Let’s look at this wonderful new toy. Upon picking up the gun, the metal upper receiver adds a decent heft. Though, the feeling of the lower receiver seems to make it all for not. The clear plastic has a bit of a weak feel to it. But, I have not gamed this particular gun as it is a wee bit cold outside and gas guns obvious don’t work that well in the cold. On that note, I’ve noticed that rapid semi automatic fire of a full magazine causes the magazines to get rather cold. Yet, from what I could see, the rifle did not suffer any major cool down effects.

The front stock of the rifle is made of standard ABS plastic. They are a little shiny and weak feeling, but are good for what they do. This rifle is supposedly completely interchangeable with TM parts. The only TM parts I have for it are the Knight’s Pro Silencer and my old RIS off my SR16. Unfortunately, this RIS will not bolt onto the existing barrel as it is missing the flanges at the base near the receiver. The barrel contains 14mm CCW threads, making threading suppressors on to it very simple. The only problem was, unlike every other airsoft gun with threaded barrels, the flash hider is strictly held on by the grub screw. Under the flash suppressor, there is a brass thread protector. So I warn you to watch, and keep that grub screw tight. Or you are going to lose your wonderful flash suppressor that makes your AR so pretty. So I put my old one I had laying around onto it. Problem solved, AR still looks ARish.

The carry handle, front sight, upper receiver, outer barrel, and buffer tube are all metal. As I said above, the new Canadian legal smoked plastic lower receiver is a little fragile feeling. As I do not know if it will be at all possible to get the metal lower receiver that the rest of the world is allowed, I will not tempt fate and treat it as if it were a real rifle. Though, I must digress, the plastic isn’t clear and doesn’t look as absolutely horrid as some people think.

The body pins are not locked into the gun like the ones that came with my metal body I got from Huang last year. But, they are very difficult to even push through to allow you to open the receiver. So, the fear of them sliding out prematurely is easily taken care of. As I do not have a spare set of locking take down pins, I can’t say for certain that they will fit.

The body itself is very easy to split apart. Much like its real steel counterpart it is based on. Just apply a ton of force to the real take down pin, pull it out, and split the upper receiver from the lower. To pull out the bolt, pull back the cocking handle and the whole bolt assembly follows. I am not sure why there is a large rod in place of the gas key, but it’s there.

The gun itself is as close to real as you are going to get. You can run standard function tests on it, stoppage drills, everything. The working forward assist does come in useful. If you ride the cocking handle forward, the bolt will not always fully engage causing a “bolt partially forward” stoppage. Do your tap, rack, forward assist, bang drill and you’re set. Though, after firing four full magazines back to back, through this gun, I failed to receive a failure.

I’ve been running this gun on propane filled using the AI Propane adapter, and two drops of 10 weight silicone oil. Other than the minor cooling of the magazines on fast repeat firing, I have yet to have anything crack (yes, I am well away 128 rounds is still way too low to have a mass failure). The bolt lock always engages, the trigger is standard two stage military, and the recoil is very crisp. To top it all off, the gun is loud. I have shot it with a suppressor, but have not noticed any difference on the shooting end. I will hopefully find that out in late May or June when I get to really test this beast in a game.

The magazines are full metal and very durable feeling. I don’t intend to drop them onto cement or concrete to test this out, as I have a bad track record with magazines hitting such surfaces. The magazines come with a blank fire lock out. This is basically a little tab you pull down and lock into a detent at the bottom of its groove. This allows you to shoot the rifle with the magazine in, and not have to worry about holding the bolt release or re-cocking the rifle after every shot. It’s a good idea, but in my opinion, a little worrisome with the plastic bolt. The magazines also have a total capacity of 32 rounds. Meaning you now have to start thinking like a real soldier and counting your shots. No spray and pray crap here ladies and gents. An upside to these magazines, is that like all GBBs I have played with previously, they reliably feed all 32 BBs into the gun, and push the bolt release/stop every time. The magazines are based on the old Canadian THERMOLD magazines. Due to which, they are thicker and may not fit some smaller magazine pouches. I have tested them in my Guarder double magazine pouches, as well as in my real HSGI Wasatch vest. Both sets of pouches will hold two magazines snuggly. The other and probably most important thing about these magazines is that they have metal feed lips. And in the complete off chance that you manage to break them, they can be removed and replaced.

The last part I will look at is the hop up. It’s a new design, and completely different from the TM ones. The hop up wheel is still in the ejection port. It’s just above the bolt. It is hard to move, and refuses to back off after firing. So far, with the little I’ve fired, I have not had any problem with it. The accuracy is spot on at 25 feet. Or, as spot on as shooting a smooth sphere down a smooth brass barrel can be. I do plan on putting a M4 length 6.03mm tight bore barrel in as soon as the season comes around again. Until then, I will stick to the M733 inner barrel that is currently installed. Or so I have read in other reviews. I haven’t had a chance to take off the portion of the barrel in front of the flash hider yet.

That about sums up everything I can think of for this new GBBR by KJ Works/Tanio Koba. As I haven’t had a real chance to field it outside of the shooting range in my garage, I cannot say how well it holds up in the field. Though, I am sure someone on Arnies has posted, as they have much nicer weather in other parts of the world. I have yet to chronograph this GBBR, but from preliminary testing in my afore mentioned garage, at around 25 feet, every BB that hit the BB trap (using a Savage Arms steel pellet trap and BB Bastard .20g) they shattered. This leads me to think I should turn my hop up on, and maybe some .25g BBs for games. If you have any questions, please feel free to pm and ask.

CONS

- Plastic lower receiver feels a little fragile
- Elastic return buffer around cocking handle and bolt
¬- Bolt is plastic. Longevity in question
- Flash suppressor not threaded onto barrel. Sits on top of brass thread protector and is held on by small grub screw.
- Magazines are bulky and only hold 32 rounds
- Unable to change base plate of magazines if you want to put on Ranger Pulls
- Front Stocks is standard ABS. Feel weak


PROS

- Upper is heavy and metal
- Carry handle is all metal, and screws were tightened to beyond hand loosening
- Trigger Mechanism is close to the real steel
- 5 position collapsible stock has minimal wobble.
- Metal outer barrel
- Bolt Carrier is metal
- Working forward assist
- Working bolt lock
- Easy to use hop up adjustment
- Robust Magazines. Feel like they can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. All metal
- Magazines are real capacity
- Magazines feed all 32 rounds flawlessly
- Suppressor ready with 14mm CCW
- Stock was immediately interchangeable to have VLTOR and MOE stocks fit with minimal wobble
- 5 Position LE style stock comes with gun
- Gun comes with 2 magazines, barrel tool, front sight tool, new speed loader for magazines.

Pictures here:

http://s955.photobucket.com/albums/ae31/Hux37/

That's a great write up, thank you.

Hope the IPSC stuff is going well. CAPS is coming up to our 3rd Year End Tourney and everyone's getting excited.

Please keep the range/performance reports on this one coming in. I'd really like to hear more about how it stands up.

Tys

Yes that was a great write up.Just want to mention though,the plastic bolt.You shouldn't worry to much about it,Raven1 on Arnies;

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...owtopic=171349

has somewhere around 10,000 bb's downrange with that bolt. The mags I have will hold 38 bb's but the loading tube only holds 32 so you have to add the 6 if you want them topped up.

Here's the one I'm playing around with.

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/p...b/DSCF0013.jpg

what can I say this is a good AR out of the box.[IMG]http://www.airsoftcanada.com/picture...&pictureid=243[/IMG]

sorry guys not a complete picture
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/picture...&pictureid=247

I have the Cansoft version for awhile now and although I'm not an Airsoft veteran, I am extremely happy with my purchase.

I have only shot about 1000+ rounds or so, but I have never experienced any problems whatsoever. On full Auto or quick bursts with Semi, the magazine does cool down considerably fast. However, it does not seem to affect the way the gun shoots. I have tried using Duster and Propane and the recoil has always been strong, and there hasn't been any problems with having the bolt lock back.

In all, I love the way GBBR's add to the realism, and the KJW M4 has been very impressive. I would highly recommend this gun.

P.S. Does anyone know which Metal Lower Receivers are compatible with this GBBR?

some of the guys buying the inokatsu are selling theres already, first of all two expensive you can buy two kjw m4 tanio koba and it will last you a long long time maan. Compare with the quality and effectiveness kjw m4 its almost the same.

Out of curiosity, how proprietary are the stocks? Would I be able to fit a WA build stock onto the KJW?

According to KJW, it takes all AEG parts, except for the receiver. I'm curious to see if it takes GBBR parts as well.

The DD lite rail I put on mine fit nice.It has the same threads as the PTW and Prime WA uppers as well as G&P. The gas tube is some sort of steel ,and is a little bigger dia. than most.

The outer M4 style stock tube measures 1.120" so most stocks will slide on (some might be a bit sloppy though) my PTS CTR was a touch loose but a piece of tape inside tightened it up nicely.

Since then I have installed a Magpul PTS UBR. They said it wasn't possible ;) but it on and is rock solid. It's not perfect ,but until someone comes out with a UBR tube with KJ threads, this install works.

What sort of GBBR parts are you wondering about,maybe I can check if I have that part on something else here.

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Ah interesting...I've been eyeing this GBBR for a while now. Guess I'll see how much I get paid first this coming Friday.

very nice set up kody how is it going still love the realistic feeling.

Just incase I just wanna greet you guys Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

I hate those Thermold mags...

Word is t_hum (Cradle Airsoft) is working on new mag internals with larger gas and BB capacity than the stock thermolds, AND able to fit into real steel 30rd USGI or PMag shells, due out some time next year.

Looks like lack of aftermarket support is now officially a non-issue.

Before I paint mine, I wanted to get some video of the mechanism (hammer, sears...) in action. the main focus of the video is the clear body and the internals while in operation.

the the dry fire toggle doesn't want to stay down so I had to hold the bolt release to dry fire.

YouTube- firing -right side.AVI
YouTube- firing -left side.AVI

Does anyone know if KJ M4 is compatible with AEG grips or GBB grips???

I am running with the RS MIAD grip. The only mod I had to do was to add a small piece of plastic in the grip (appox 1/2"x1/4"x1/8") for the selector detent spring to sit on.So any M4 style GBBR grip should slide on.

I used Element G27 grip meant for WA-GBB and it's a nice, tight fit, no wobbles.

Me too

http://photo.gruz.ca/main.php?g2_vie...serialNumber=2

Used the search tool in the thread without success (I must say out of the 7 pages, there's a lot of stuff not to relevant to the fun itselft... but anyway).

What's the verdict on the kick, and compared to the WE and WA offerings? I was told it's very similar to the WE and WA M4 systems, but the WE SCAR CO2 kicks harder... What do you think?

Oh, and for the STANAG I figured I should just ask them. Got the answer within 24h: