Real steel accessories?
 

so i have seen that people use real steel rail systems, stocks, even upper receivers and was wondering how an airsoft gun compares to their real steel counterparts. i have a marui m4 that i was working on a while back but now i want to put on a larue rail system and possibly a magpul stock (a real one that hasnt yet been made for airsoft). is this possible? if so, how would i go about doing it?

there is airsoft copys of both those things.
i would never buy airsoft junk though.

i actually want the real steel stuff. i like the look of the larue rails (which i have yet to see an accurate copy of) and i want to purchase the magpul ubr (which hasnt been released yet but looks pretty awesome).

... You're life is not dependent on your airsoft gun... IMO, buying real-steel accessories for an airsoft gun is a huge waste of money and time, Real-steel RDS get shot out VERY easily, same with real steel scopes.

All that stuff is made with the idea that if it gets shot, you're probably going to die anyways.

If there's an airsoft clone of it, it'll most likely fit without modification, For a stock, There'll be room for a battery.

+1

There isnt anything wrong with buying real parts for an airsoft gun. Especially if you think at some point you may get your restricted pal. Im currently using the foregrip and aimpoint that were originally mounted on my airsoft m4. Both parts worked great on my airsoft gun and work great on my AR. My aimpoint has taken bb hits without any problems , it does have a killflash that may have taken some of the energy. I wouldnt put any real parts on a stock TM body though. The body is no where near sturdy enough to support a freefloat rail system.

I don't know, man. There's this guy in Ont who's got a RS NV optic on his TM. I couldn't believe it when I saw it.

Seemed kinda sketchy, but it was holding :|

I had my freefloater rail on a tm body for a bit but the receiver started to come apart at the barrel nut. The TM bodies are metal at the barrel nut but that piece is sandwiched between the plastic sides of the receiver and held on by 2 small screws. The TM uppers are basically 4 seperate parts , the 2 sides of the reciever , top rail , and barrel housing. After time the top rail and barrel housing get loose due to the holes in the plastic body enlarging from wear. Thats just my experience.

your product dont work anymore?

My product works just fine, I'm not talking about lenses entirely, Real steel optics can get damaged taking shots to different parts of the gun.

For airsoft you don't need real optics... and buying them with the excuse that "Oh, I'll use it on my real gun too" is kind of lame, You're going to have to re-zero it every single time you take it off the gun.

IMO, Airsoft parts exist for a reason.

Quoted for truth.

It's always good to have a near identical set-up, though.

The only RS I'm going to be putting on my gun is EOTech, Ambicatch, and DD rail. That's bout it. Nothing else is really necessary.

Oh, funny story.. My team mate got quoted 325 for a rail made to survive. I got quoted 270 for a rail made to look pretty.. You decide which is a better "bang for the buck".

it depend on the brand name and model number....it is like a watch, you have the Omega, Rolex, and TAG Heuer and then you have the Vacheron Constantin, Patek Philippe, and Girard-Perregaux, now they all offer time of the day and pretty much with precisions and a high standards of quality but one they are all at a different price range, it all depends what you want as a person and your taste...


...for the RS part, I like to stick with RS part, except for the optics, do not have money to burn on those just yet...ironically enought, I do have a real Aimpoint, but I will never game with it...

the only thing that I have no choice as of yet that is still PTW is the lower receiver, barrel assembly/hop-up, and the gear box assembly... the rest could be modified to fit from RS parts...

Point in case, regarding OP's question...

The real LaRue won't fit the plastic TM body because the barrel nut threading is slightly different; Madbull makes a sort of die to convert airsoft threads to accept real threads, but I doubt you'd obtain good results on a plastic body (not to mention the concept of a real steel front end on a cheap plastic receiver is just inherently wrong).

If you're going to get a real steel front end, get a good quality receiver (G&P, KA, etc). Beware cheap Chinese clones as they sometimes have minor sizing issues which will make your life a major pain.

Real steel upper will only work (modified) for the PTW.

As for the UBR, it appears to replace the entire stock tube; it just won't fit on a TM-style receiver (TM, CA, G&P, etc). Fortunately, Magpul PTS announced they were planning a PTS version of the UBR, and that should work fine.

actually i had already started working on the gun a while back and have a hurricane body on it already. i really wanted to put a vltor mur on it but ive heard it wont fit so now im thinking of getting a g&p receiver and the dytac mur.

as for larue rails...will they fit to either the hurricane or dytac uppers? if not then how does that madbull kit work? ive seen it before but i havent got the slightest idea of how it works.

magpul pts ubr...im all over that. i just really liked the look of that stock. Ive been looking all over but i cant seem to find any official magpul pts site. i always find airsoft retailers with their products.

thanks for the help guys...i really appreciate it!

As someone pointed out in another thread, KA is coming out with both a MUR and a full VIS-1 upper. Presumably it'll be made for their own lowers. But if you're swapping the entire receiver it's worth keeping in mind as an option.



The barrel nut (the actual nut portion of the delta ring which screws onto the receiver) is the same size, physically, between airsoft (the "realistic" type ones, like G&P, KA, etc) and real steel; however, the thread pitch is slightly different.

Given that airsoft receivers are relatively soft metal, I've seen some people advocate just forcing it on (example here). If you have a real steel armorer's wrench, I think you could generate enough torque to pull that off (although I'd make sure the threads are well lubricated before attempting it -- for the record, that link was for the sake of citing an example. I don't recommended following his advice).

Anyway, the Madbull thing is a die. It allows you to recut threads. From what I gathered from it, it's to allow you to mount real steel parts, but their product description is extremely vague, and I haven't really found any reviews or comments about it.



Yeah there's no Magpul PTS website. The PTS CTR stocks are the same as real steel, and the MIAD grips are made by Infinity MS (in HK) who also made the airsoft versions of Falcon Ergos etc. (under license).

Magpul doesn't even really list the real steel UBR on their website yet, so who knows when that'll actually come out. They seem to have manufacturing issues. I noticed the MASADA project was being partnered off to Bushmaster now.

I don't think it is. I've got plenty of RS parts on my guns. Some out of necessity to replace broken or worn airsoft parts, some are to make further mods possible. Some of the parts I've put on I had kicking around, some I bought and traded for. None of the RS I bought were more expensive than airsoft counterparts, but all were better quality, and have held up tons better than the stuff they've replaced.

Again, your mileage may vary. I bought a simple 4x Colt RS scope from Lupo years ago that I still use at pretty much every game. Cand I zero in a shot with it? Nope, airsoft doesn't have the range. But it has saved many a player from friendly fire incidents, and it's shown me once or twice that an opposing team was about to complete an objective we needed to prevent. Very handy. Certain scopes do retain zeroing, like the issued Elcan. As long as you don't rezero it on your airsoft, it'll still be at the same zero when you put it back on your RS.
It's very easy to prevent breakage on them too. Just cut out a circle of lexan, install behind the flip up cover and you're done.

I've got one I put on my ICS/TOP guns, but I'd never put it on a plastic body. Mine's kind of big and would tear a resin body apart in no time. Something smaller like a TIM-14 you might be able to get away with on plastic though, but since the sight is almost always worth more than the gun, I'd never do it.

LaRue are pure hot. I know Ronan has one on his PTW. Their is no airsoft copy of those or of Daniel Defense rails. You need a PTW to put them on since the threading is the same (hence why PTW's accept real steel accessories).

Take in consideration that LaRue and DD rails are hard and expensive to find inside Canada. Do you really want to 'jam/force' a ~$500 rail on a pot metal body?

Good luck with your project.

Often putting RS parts on an airsoft gun is the only way to get a desired look/function.

Before airsoft ambi-catches were released, I had modded a RS Badger Ordnance ambi-catch onto an ICS cocking handle;

Before airsoft AKSU's were released, I modded a RS AK74SU folding stock onto a AK47 (and then AK74) metal body.... etc and so forth..

Honestly, its been done. Steel always wins against pot metal/aluminum.

That Madbull re-threading die is steel, too.

My only point of emphasis was using a proper tool (armorer's wrench) to get enough torque to do it right without damaging anything, lubing it, and not over forcing it to prevent cracking anything.

The latter points would also apply to using the die.

And the steel barrel nut won't get much more damage to it from pot metal than a knife gets damaged by a carrot.

hrmmm...i live in hawaii (usa) so getting the rails themself would be no big deal. ive even seen them at some of the gun shops over here. i dont really wanna jack up my gun...even though it is still in the early phase. i dont have any tools for real steel guns so i probably wouldnt be able to do drakes mod on my own.

perhaps i will have to switch over to a PTW. ive read some pretty good things about them but im pretty partial to having the systema logo on the lower receiver. i saw a colt lower for the ptw on redwolf but it seems it was a limited run item. do you guys know where and how much it would cost to get a vltor mur modded to fit the ptw?

Go see the Team Killer Studio guys in Honolulu if you want a PTW and related stuff, but I'm sure you knew that already;)

actually i DIDNT know that...do you know how i could get a hold of them?

usually real stuff is cheaper then airsoft shit...plus its been to iraq! if you know where to get it.

An AR15 Armorer's Wrench is like $30 and available online.

their site sucks! hopefully they respond to my email...thanks for the help though!

dude, you are in the US, what are you doing with a TM while you can get a PTW fairly easy?... Also, there is no restrictions on purchasing any brand you like in regards to rails, including LaRue and DD's .... you want to look at some sweet setup take a look at this tread that are PTW's photos...most of the people there is from the US which for them having real steal parts on their PTW is easy to have access off... and if you want you can always ship me some LaRue rails ;)

http://www.systema-europe.com/Forum/...ts.asp?TID=429