Most preferred sniper weapon
 

This is obviously for the airsoft snipers out there. Question is, what is the prefered primary sniper weapon to use for sniper related missions and sharpshooter related missions (FIBUA/urban ops).

Feel free to comment the pro's and con's of particular sniper weapons for various ops.

On a side note, it is HIGHLY recomended that the sniper have a secondary weapon that shoots below 400fps. If you are shooting a hot BA/sniper weapon you must either have a secondary or a spotter that is armed with an AEG that shoots below 400fps. Remember snipers do not mercy with thier primary weapon, this is obviously a safety issue.

For sharpshooting / tactical shooters in an urban / FIBUA / MOUT environment - TM M14! ;) Need a secondary? A full auto Glock or an MP7.

HAWT SHTUFF! :D

Yes the good ol M14 that i fired last year, nice piece of kit, great for counter-sniping too, given that it is upgraded.

I vouch for M24!!

Pros.... sturdy, precise... a work horse. Did I mention it's heavy!?

Con... CA crap: need to be completely upgraded.

I tried many other sniping platformes. I still prefer the M24 for it's overall feel and precision.

The APS2 is the close follower in my opinion. I just don't like the weight and the musle break.

For FIBUA and urban, I'd say it's pretty cumbersome. For field, hell ya, when upgraded properly, but for urban, I'd say something set up similar that is shorter. Unless one is engaging over 200ft through awindow, then the M24 set up properly, as well as APS2 etc. is the shit giggles are made of!

AICS backed up with a MP7 for the win!

Actually I'm just being biased because i just picked em up this week.

I know it's not what you'd expect, but I never, ever, had trouble sniping with my Marui AK on semi-auto. It just happens to be accurate enough and have sufficient reach.

If my new toy makes it by June 22, I'll comment on that.

Some of the most amazing shots in airsoft games I've seen came from Raven's bolt action rifle.

APS 2
AK converted to a SVD
SPR

backup

m60a4
mp5 pdw
hicapa

That's one hell of a backup :shock:




M24 all the way baby!!

Me personally prefer the APS for field ops, first and foremost it will work in cold weather, thus when everyone elses AEG's crap out, theres your window of oportunity to engage at free will, and hopefully they dont have a secondary that works. As for urban ops, I prefer the M4 variant. I cant comment on stock APS's as when I got mine it was already upgraded internally, with some help i got a tightbore barrel and the tech's added an extension to the outter barrel. Ive nailed a guy over 200ft with it , luckely mother nature was on my side at the time of the shot, no wind. Once this BA is upgraded and tweeked, add good field tactics, and good ammo, it is just as effective as the M249 or an upgraded AEG, obviously far less firepower. But who says a spotter cannot be armed with a machine gun? :grin:

Theres pros and cons with BA weapons when your up against players with AEG's, but like its been mentioned before, its how you as a sniper team actually know and how to employ those tactics to be effective in the field. Hence why it is crucial that the spotter be armed with an AEG, that meets field regulations.

One doesnt have to have a BA to effectively play the sniper role, any type of AEG will do. And as it has been mentioned, AEG's work well.

SPECIAL PURPOSE RIFLE!!!!

this is slightly off-topic, but do the BA rifles have better accuracy than AEGs? I wouldn't think so...

Hmmm lets see sniper = kills from long distance with 1 shot....

I'd got with a nuclear missle

Pros:
1 shot several kills
Extreme Range
Can be done from inside of a secured bunker with no risk to yourself

Cons:
One hell of a mess to clean up afterwards
Possible enemy nuke comming your way.



Does this count 8) Not quite airsoft, but meh :razz:



Otherwise I'm kinda partial to the SR-25

Generally, yes.
Spring BA rifle are more concistent and precise.
The big advantage is the fact that they are quiet with a little more punch.

My longest confirmed kill is around 300feets.
I'v made a lot of kills past the 200feets marks. Lots of them are confirmed and with witness.

I'm sporting a 450fps M24 with most of the time .30g or .43g bbs.
My long shots where done with .30 if I remember right.

To give you an idea of how acurate it is. One time, I felt too short to shoot a guy advancing on a team mate. He was laying on his belly, slowly crawling in position, 90degrees to mee. I had a clear shot of him and his G36K. About 100feets. I fired at his G36k and hit the handguard. The BBs waking loudly on his gun made him stay put and than give up to go respawn. Mission accomplished.

Few AEG can do that unless upgraded to shit, and still, my position would have been reveiled by the noises.

wow. that's really something (no sarcasm). I've always liked the BA rifles :) never knew they were THAT accurate though...

VSR10 GSPEC

Yah, it's not fancy... and yes, mine is still stock... but so far I have yet to hear a rifle that shoots as quiet as it does. And it's hella fun to play with too.

Cant comment much on the others, but I've got a fully upgraded VSR-10, and also an maruzen APS2 L96. Both my rifles have basically all 3rd party replaced internals.

I find the L96 has awesome reach even with a lower fps than my VSR. It sort of floats the bb's to the target which is sometimes annoying as it takes a few seconds to get to the target, which makes hitting moving targets that much harder. But it does in a precise manner (depending on the wind) I find the deviation between shots far closer than my VSR. There are however a few quarks with the L96 in that some screws tend to get loose after a couple dozen shots and the cylinder starts to hit the side more than normal or create more friction when chambering the next round when shot which is never good. Also once in a while (like every 45 rounds or so, a bb will get jammed between the loading nozzel and the chamber block which is annoying especially while in the midst of combat. Easily fixable by ejecting the mag shaking and reinserting, but still quarky. The ease of maintaining the L96 is great however, you can take out the cylinder without messing with the barrel and other parts. It looks and feels damn nice. Just a bit awkward to hold. Trigger pull is extremely light, perhaps too light. The thing is a bit on the long and bulky side which makes it a little difficult to run around with. Better suited for longer range more stable targets.

The VSR on the other hand isn't quite as precise, but damn it's the most reliable BA i've played around with. Don't get me wrong, it still reliable outranges AEGs, but at longer distances (200+ ft) it drifts. Gamed with it on most of my outdoor games, prolly more than a dozen with it so far, it's never had a missfeed, solid as a rock, quiet. ADJUSTABLE hop up is wonderful if you need to change weights or compensate for range. This thing is a workhorse, and unparalled in reliability, it just works the way you would expect (safety works too unlike many others). Trigger pull is a good balance, short pull. There's little substitute for a gun that just works, and you never have to worry about it kinking up on you in the midst of combat. Great for FR type games where you need precise shooting, but also need the manuverability rather than concealment, pretty good for taking quick accurate shots as marksman.

unfortunatly as soon as that bb reaches 200ft, the wind just carries it away, I see it all the time and its nerve racking. In cases like this I still manage to eliminate my targets by other means or simply get closer.

I have heard good and bad of various BA weapons. I can only speak about the APS2 SV. As I mentioned previously I bought it upgraded and second hand, and its a great tool upgraded. Cant speak for stock APS2 SV, so if there is anyone in this community that has dealt with a stock APS2 SV, feel free to post.

Ive used Steve's G3 and the damm thing is extremely accurate, though it took him a while to get it to where its at. I found this to be a great weapon for urban ops. First you have the firepower you need, second its accurate, third, it has a good range and last its a great counter sniper weapon. So if I were to go for a sharpshooter role, this is what I would go with. My preference and my opinion only. I would recomened those playing the sharpshooter role to use a semi - full auto AEG that has range, accuracy and the firepower capability in urban ops. Even though BA's are more accurate and have more range than AEG's, given that they have been tweeked, they arent the best weapon to be used in urban ops as a single sniper team.

One thing you most likely would have noticed is that using Straight ammo of any weight what you think might be the wind carring the shot to one side or the other is actually normal for that brand of ammo. I'd always find the Straight BBs would go where they wanted to, and rarely where I wanted them to go. Always thought that my gun was the problem, upgraded the heck out of it, still found the same problem until I started using GOOD ammo, then I got the accuracy and range I was looking for. Hard to tell if it's wind carrying the BB off to one side or the other and missing, or a problem with that specific individual BB you just shot. Not like you can recover it to dissect it to see if the bubbles inside are centered or off to a side.

Atoz/head 1950 Dragunov.

FIBUA/urban ops? As long as the FPS limit in around 500 your good.

Pro's

1. long range

2. dead on precision shooting

Con's

1. BIG and I mean big gun.


field. (same thing with the FPS)

Pro's

Same

Con's

same

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I have a vsr-g spec and made a custom M16 SPR with a 20" barrel and would have to say that I prefer the SPR for both urban and field. The Vsr is awesome for accuracy and range and is shooting less fps than the SPR,but still is more accurate. But having the semi auto makes all the difference. I have tight bores in both and they shoot very straight with good quality .28-.3BB's out to 200ft range.The Vsr can go further but at that range most shots are affected by the wind and such so a couple shots on semi auto work a lot better for me.

I noticed this with my straight ammo as well - what are you using now?

I have an upgraded Maruzen L96 - and I love it.

+1 on the TM VSR-10 G-spec. It's a long and straight shooter for very minimal upgrades and mine only shoots 400fps right now (due to the fact I have to engage from under 25ft sometimes).
As a backup I just use my HFC M194 beretta, hasn't failed me yet lol

AUG w/ Phantom Kit!....
But seriously, it's good for counter-sniping.

I'd only use ever use a Dragunov. I like the Ak platform, and the Dragunov is reminiscient of it. Too bad all the airsoft versions are finicky...

I've seen an SVD get as good range and accuracy as my VSR. But it does require alot of tweeking. The guy's buddy opened it up after it was shooting fantastic and it lost 2/3 of its range lol

Ive got a Stock Maruzen APS-2 SV. So far, i havent gamed it, mostly due to the Non -adjustable hop-up, so theres really no point. Also comes 300 fps stock, another reason that it needs to be upgraded. One the internals are full PDI, it'll rocking every game I imagine.

Get out and use it anyways, just find best ammo for it (fixed hop up is set for 0.29g BBs, so use Bastard 0.30g).

+1 on that, some stock rifles can be pretty damn accurate and have good range!
My stock VSR-10 still outranged stock AEG's and was really accurate :)
First upgrade I got was the firefly hop rubber, laylax tightbore, then PDI cylinder set. As soon as I got those it was a laser rifle lol
I tried the rifle at 440 for a game, found out it was more innacurate, went back to 400 for the rest of the season. Decided to try 440 again, broke the sears chronoing at home LOL
Bought a V-trigger and it's still a laser rifle :p

Just remember to clean your barrel after every game! Barrel cleaning is mandatory for snipers!!!

Nothing truer has been said on ASC. Lol

And with that, since it's unreal how many new people around here have to ask where to get a cleaning kit. Canadian Tire, $7 gets you a Hoppe's .22cal cleaning rod with tips, and another $2 gets you 100 cloth cleaning patches. Fold one in three, thread it through the tip eyelet, and dry swab the barrel with a twisting motion. Use a second one to further clean it.

Hm, sounds good. But its cold :)

Anyways, ill have everything done hopefully before the end of January. That includes full PDI internals, scope, ect ect

Then to build the ghillie!

Shoot your gun as much as possible. I have a 30ft range in my basesment and have shot there for years, targets both paper and moving (swinging beer bottle caps are awesome!). Learn how your gun shoots, practice for best technique, best groups, see how often flyers occur, etc. And start on the ghillie as soon as you can, it'll take you a long time, and even by the time you are done, you still likely won't be satisfied and will add even more crap to it (which is good).

The more crap the better!

Rifle wise, does shooting at 30ft really Help you much? I mean here at Op-for, my MED will be about 80ft. And i dont really have a range to shoot in, unless you count the backyard. Which would be a very bad idea, seeing as its quite open

And im not sure i want to use Beer cans, wouldnt Pepsi suffice? I dont want some guy named CDN_stalker smelling the beer, and traveling to find it.

Sorry for the thread-jack.

I have been pondering buying a BA rifle for a while now, Never really liked the look for the VSR. Does anyone have any experience with the new TM 96? Is it compatible with VSR parts? those are everywhere

Sorry for the threadjack guys,

Personally, im not a big fan of the L96. It's very big, and bulky. If your trying to sneak around, you want to be as low profile as possible, but a 5 foot gun doesnt help much.

If its you taste, cool. I would say check out: www.x-fire.org (click on english tab) and you'll see that upgrades PDI has. From what i see there, not very much. But im not really experienced at all yet, especially with the L96.

cool, thanks for the link, ill read up

Theres not much to read up on, but thats one of the few awesome companies for snipers. If your really going to get going in the Whole sniper scene, go big or go home. Dont get half quality brands, or upgrade only your spring. It's everything together, and experience that will make you a great sniper.

you could also try looking at other forums, such as Airsoftforum.com, or arnies or airsoftretreat for a sniper perch sort of thing, but alot of what people say on there is wierd. Ex. Paper Barrel spacers... that sort of thing :)

Hehe, I guess you didn't notice that I said beer bottle CAPS? Is a favourite game of mine, cap hanging by a string, shoot it, watch it flop around as you load the next round............. wait for it to start swinging in a predictable manner then nail it again.

Seriously, whatever distance outside of 25ft that you can learn to shoot it is golden, how do you think I became so proficient with mine? It's all about your technique, technique is key. Propper cheek weld, trigger squeeze and finger placement, breathing............ doesn't matter if you are shooting at 20ft or 200ft, it all still applies. And there is an old Japanese proverb that says 'small things become big things', meaning in this case if you can shoot 3/4" groups at 30ft with your rifle, it'll be really consistant and accurate out to 150ft. If your rifle (and you) can only get CD sized groups at 30ft, then there is somethig wrong with the gun or the shooter. Catch my drift?

I don't know your backyard situation so I'll not comment on it, there are times one can shoot from inside the house out into the backyard as long as the area is clear and safe. Other times it's not recommended.

Oh, haha i see it now. But that would still require the Cap be removed, and therefore releasing the aroma.

But youve got great points here. My backyard is pretty open, and not much space to shoot out, seeing as my neighbors are cops. Although they know what I do, it's best kept for the field. I could probably manage to go from the living room, into the garage.

Hope theres no flyers ;)

Whatever you can figure out to do will benefit you immensely, can't rely on just shooting practice at games.

Regarding shooting the caps, doesn't have to be beer, it can be any small hard thing that you can attach to a string. Not many people know I do that BTW, so consider it a small piece of Stalker info. It really helps you with focus, aiming point and timing, as well as leading targets. I nailed a buddy of mine from 100ft away, right in the hand, as he reached out from his cover to pick up his rifle (he was using a folding table as a riot shield and had to move his gun ahead of him before he moved. I got him the third time he reached for his gun to move it. He set the pattern, if someone does the same thing twice, chances are high they'll do it a third time, you time it out and smack them).

Haha alright. Now quick, edit it and get rid of it! ;)

Yeah, i think i will start doing that as soon as i get some .30's, sight my scope, and get proper rings. The field we play on isnt too big mind you, so i doubt 200ft will happen much except for in scenarios.

Man, just talking about it makes me excited :)

I have to vote with Pete...
I own a SPR M-16 tightbored shooting 400fps and I get great accuracy out as far as 200ft.
gets me Confirmed and witnessed single-shot kills at 230-240ft., (But I'm NO Sniper)
plus the added fun of Long-Range-supression from Full-Auto . . . :P loving it!

That's also another choice, but doesnt offer the "sniper" realism. More of a DMR if you ask me. BAR is the only way i would go for sniping.

As for effectiveness, works just as well, but may not quite get the accuracy, and range as a well tuned BA.

The entire point of that stuff is to make you one with your rifle. Learning to be as precise as possible with your technique will benefit you out in the field, as well as transition you over to real steel. First time I shot a bolt action was earlier this year, a Remington 700 in .308, I applied the same techniques as I do with my M24. Atg 143 yards, my first two shots went high due to my grip (flip from recoil), last three shots I put pressure on the back of the stock with my thumb, ended up getting a 1" group.

Try to stick to one magnification
My scope is 2-6, but I only go over 3x when I'm checking something out
If your gun shoots out of the scope adjustment range like mine, moving to a different magnification throws you off

And I don't know about the rest of you, but I shoot people within 25m a lot more than I shoot them from further than 25m
It's just the way our field is... not many chances to get long range shots in and everyone I shoot is within range of me so I like to make sure I don't miss lol

as an aspiring airsoft sniper, i find that starting with a quality DMR AEG and upgrading that is a great route. My M14 is plenty accurate and because of the semi-auto feature, is very forgiving as i learn to gauge shots and BB trajectory. Now if only the G3 or MSG-90 were V3 gear boxes and not shitty V.2. that would be sweet.

Cactus, I shoot mine at 4-5x zoom all the time, and only go lower for increased FOV, and up to 9x for checking something out. And 90% of the shots I go for are within 150-175ft, is why I don't bother talking much about 200ft+ shots or range (I can do it, just doesn't occur too often).

Donster, an illuminated scope is actually handy when you play evening/night games. Too often I've had enough light to be able to see my target in my scope, but couldn't see the crosshairs at all, so had to guess where they were. An extra $30 to help with very low light conditions is a benefit by far. One that I'll have to look into in the future.

WHAT?!?! BLASPHEMY!!!

The V2 is an AWESOME mechbox, people think it's inaccurate because M4 hopup chambers are inherently flawed. The G3 hop chamber is awesome, My G3 SG-1 was an fantastic counter sniper weapon. I had the same range as any other sniper at the time until Tsuru discovered the magic firefly rubbers.
And it was the most accurate AEG on the field since Ducky's guarder AK-74.

DMR's are pretty cool, but i still think you get More of a "sniper" feel with an Bolt Action.