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Noob questions rd. 2: the cheapskatening
Alright, so I did a bit more lurking and saw a post in the general guns discussion claiming that a decent starter gun for a beginner should cost around $400.
FOUR HUNDRED? Really? This has gotten me curious, though! Veterans, how much was your first gun, as your initial purchase for serious airsoft? I imagine no one shelled out for a $500 CA straight away... How much was it with all the aftermarket upgrades you made down the line? Thanks! |
$300 TM mp5k
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$670 for an all-plastic Tokyo Marui AK47 with no accessories...back in 1998? I still have it, and it still runs like a champ 150K+ rounds later - I've only ever opened the mechbox once, many years ago, and installed about $200 worth of performance parts, including a tightbore barrel. Don't think you can say that about too many Chinese cloned guns....
A decent, used gun will cost you $400, or thereabouts. A new one is closer to $500-$600, depending on brand and model. Of course, I'm only speaking about quality guns (TM, G&P, STAR/ARES, VFC). If you're looking at overseas/US prices for CYMA or Kalash/D-Boys guns, multiply them by X2.5 or X3 and you'll be in the ballpark of what you'll pay in Canada. That $150 CYMA gun will cost you $400 here.... FWIW, I have half a dozen guns that were over $1K each to build. Were they worth it? That depends on how you look at it; I bought only top-of-the-line parts, learned to build guns properly from a number of individuals, and I know that when I go out to the field, my guns will fire accurately every single time I pull the trigger. Reliability is worth it's weight in gold to me. |
$700-800 on my AK when all was said and done.
You can totally buy something cheaper, I had a Dboys AKS-74 I bought for $350 shipped, I switched out the hopup rubber ($10) and she was golden. I regret selling her that's for sure. All depends what you are looking for. Treat it well and it should do the same. |
400 for a TM MP5k pdw with a crapload of good accessories.
If you're patient and willing to spend some time fishing around you can get very good deals. |
$350 stock TM commando back in....2005
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$600+ on my VFC SCAR-L
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600 on a stock CA g36k (Prometheus barrel ) and then 900 on a fully upgraded CA g36.
so youre right i never spent 500 on a brand new CA :P i spent more. |
$30 walmart springer ;p
I would have gotten something better, BUT I still lived with my parents back then, and my dad didn't like guns, so I had to slowly move up to more realistic guns, starting with clear shitsoft my first real gun was an Echo1 G36C for $225, that thing was great |
About $550 once the smoke cleared. However I went the buy a "decent" gun first route (nothing like cheapo JG's back in the day but more similar to something of slightly higher quality but definitely not CA or TM or anything like that) and it's still going strong.
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300 for a jg, plus another 150for optics, sights and a front end.
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$600 - TM M14 Socom, back about 4 years ago when they first came out, opened the gearbox once to replace a tappet plate (v7, pain in the ass), sold it about 2 years ago for almost the same amount of $ :)
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$400 g&g mp5-a5
Then spent another $60 to get the piston replace and to figure out why Trigger Assembly wasn't working. |
$300 Classic Army Sportline M4.
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$450, Toyko Marui P90. Don't buy cheap shit to begin with. Buy cheap, buy twice.
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CYMA M1A1 Thompson $350
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First airsoft gun I bought was a WE HiCapa for about $200, obviously wasn't game worthy so I bought my first AEG which was a Tokyo Marui P90 for about $700, package came loaded with mags and whatnot.
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500$ TM AUG from Rangers airsoft.
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250 on Wells m4. I've had it almost one years no problems no upgrades, still shoots 360. I just recently baught a src Gen 3 m4 and i still use the Wells to bring my buddies to airsoft games.
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180 for my jg sig552-used
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Just over $600 for me for a Classic Army G36.
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200$ US for a WE 1911 full metal
600$ for a WE PDW without counting the accessories and shananigans.... |
300 ish on my jg m4 s-system
450 Dboys AK74 900 B.C.R |
350 for a completely broken to shit TM M16VN... by the time it was running it was about 550
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760 on a Classic army m24. Loved that thing.
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$600+
VFC SCAR-CQB But you can get away with an MP5 under $400. |
About 800$ for my VFC SR-16.
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TokyoMarui M4 RIS with 2 batteries, charger and 6 magazines for $700.00ish
KSC G18 with an additional magazine $400.00 Total of $1100 of on my first airsoft gun purchase. |
$500, TM Thompson with 3 mags, BB's, and Batteries. Go big or go home.
Later on....$650 Classic army M16a4. it has been my work horse. fantasitc battle rifle. Edit: Technicaly the M16 was a gift. but thats what its value was at the time. |
$25 or 30 from CT - piece of shit never lasted
$65 from CT - ditto $?? (I don't remeber it was one of those clear mini MP5's) from CT - ditto $350 for TM MP5K PDW used, rental gun; who knows the atrocities it had seen. That was over 5 years ago and I still have it, still works great! ....So I guess the answer to your question is "yes virginia, there is quality airsoft, but you must pay for it. Airsoft is one of the greatest examples of "you get what you pay for" . |
Too much.
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$520 for a used TM G3 SG-1 with Systema internals and a tightbore barrel, 3 mid-caps, a rds and mount, a bag of shit .20s and a 3300 mah battery. My suggestion to you is to wait until you are 18, get av'ed and shop around in the classifieds. My friend wanted in and through shopping in the classifieds I found him a used G&G M4 for $190. Then he found 5 used mags for $45. If you are patient you can find really good deals
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I bought one of those clear mini augs from CT, then a TM M9 silver springer, then a TM MP5A4 ($450).
The mp5 was my primary up until a month ago when it was traded away. |
From the makers of "The Bloodening" comes the worst horror of airsoft:
It's....The Cheapskatening! http://s650.photobucket.com/albums/u...pskatening.jpg |
HAHA!
That is awesome. To the original poster; Don't mistake the word cheap for affordable. There are more affordable options for sure. Myself for instance, I went with a Kraken AK-47. Affordable but decent. I had to invest $50 in a sim job, regrease and downgrade of the spring. It runs like a champ. But do realize you will be out gunned. The $500-600 guns will have better builds, better range, better accuracy. But it only makes you play harder IMO. You have to be closer, and have a better shot. |
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With a Kraken it's; buy it, open it up and put another $50 or so into it and play with it until something else breaks and you replace that. Certainly not an option that a lot of people would promote but definitely something you could do if you'd rather meter out money over time (ie. the difference between buying a cheap/beater car and paying maintenance costs more often or buying something like a Corolla or Tercel (higher initial cost) that will work but you still have to do some/less regular maintenance). |
1 dollar, semi-auto spring pistol from the dollar store, bought several
Terrible little things but were fun for a prank, guessing under 100 fps with .12's.. Recently though bought 3 Krakens for 100 each, two of them are for other people (each adds about 30 bucks in taxes and shipping so 130x3=390) ASR for 110 on sale, then with shipping, .43 bbs, border fees ect cost me around 180. co2 pistol for about 80. ...sooo effectively I've managed to spend more than some of these people on their first real guns, but in the form of a small armory. |
My first rifle was $950, full metal TM G3A3 with wood stock/foregrip (real steel) and 6 metal mags, all the plastic parts, battery. I have put roughly another $250 into this rifle with internals and new batteries and one metal part that was still plastic.
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2003
First new Pistol $280 First used AEG (M4) $550 First new AEG (P90) $480 |
First AEG TM M4A1 RIS back in 2004 paid about $600 for it. Didnt really upgrade it.
GBB M9 Berreta ABS Plastic paid $200 bucks used. |
Upgraded KS P90 = $445
I'm just getting my first gun after being on here for a year almost. Don't forget about everything else like the loadout, etc. That could be just as expensive. My advice, the cheapest good quality gun I can think of that comes to mind is priced usually at $300 plus shipping. You can also cheapout and get cheap Sig 552's, I saw two people had at Green Zone, but you stand out alot if it isn't painted and performs low. This hobby isn't cheap sadly if you lived in asia though, that would be a different story |
KWA 1911 ($240) Awesome gun, just gamed it.
SRC Gen III M4 ($450) - Metal Body ($200) - Prometheus Barrel ($80) - EOTech/ACOG ($130) - 3600 mAh battery ($80) - Upgraded fullstock ($50) - 5 midcaps ($10 ea/$50) My SRC Gen III is what I currently use, and I love it. The $1000 I'm into it for was well worth the money, it's a gem! I've also got an SRC M933 ($200) and a KJW Beretta M9 ($230ish). |
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350$ jg mp5 sd5-sd6
670$ ca m15a2 600+$ kwa s-system 220$ we hi-cappa 3.8 220$ TSD VSR10 And approxamitly 600$ at least in the upgrades for these guns. Airsoft ..........its a trap! lol |
Gun 1: $650 (incl. mags, battery, charger)
Gun 2: $600 Gun 3: $400 Gun 4: $300 (pistol) --------------------- $2000 Repairs/upgrades in the last 2 years: Gun 1: $130 Gun 2: $250 Gun 3: $170 Gun 4: $30 --------------- $580 Damn. I really wish I hadn't added that all up. :( |
like a blender
100$ for a used tactical force mp5, shot at 900 bb/min at 340 and a 9.7v bat to boot.. man i love that thing.. till recently (over 4 years later) it sounds like a blender and works like a dead mule *holds out hat* v2 gearbox donations anyone?.. it was a good gun *removes hat and holds to chest* i got a Russian bear (ak47) in the mail to ease the loss ^^
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Airsoft is actually one of my cheapest hobbies...
my other 2 were/are - Automotive racing and Radio control (racing cars, now scale boats mostly military and tugs) I'm a bad one to comment on prices simply because I purposely buy broken/non working guns, either for resale or because I refuse to leave anything stock(or normal) to begin with and had full plans to replace it's guts anyways ;) the deals are there, if your ready and prepared to jump on it right away. |
670 for my first AEG.
a thousand years ago now. |
HAHA just saw this old thread had to resurect with my first gun TM M14 $700 upgraded now $1200 fully upgraded into a DMR, and followed by my first side arm TM MK23 $320 now $500 pdi barrel, new hopup and couple mags.
Actually my newest guns are my cheapest because im making them projects.... DE multi shot shotgun/10 shells 100$ (rare full stock) upgraded with barrel attached police shogun tac light now $200, Echo 1 ASR $120 in the prosess of soaking stupid money into a clone on a risk to get a great rifle out of it by end of the week when parts show up $700 Been an expensive first year. this is just guns never mind the gear/claymore/thunder B's/gas nades |
The guns? They're expensive. But the stuff that goes with them costs more. I started out with a P90 (about 500, I think), and now use SIG rifles. Fake bullets cost extra dough. I'm really jealous of those 10 packs of AR mags people get for pocket change. Back then, I had to cough up tons of dough just for single P90 pouches. Nowadays, the accessories still cost me more, but only because I have odd taste. I have an RE pistol sitting on my desk that I've only brought to one game and didn't fire. Bought because I'm a fanboy. I have a shotgun where the stock cost almost as much as the gun itself, clocking in near the $700 mark. Then I had to get the gear to game with it. Now I've got another AEG that only uses drums. More new pouches. My other rifle is out of commission right now, but I bought another shotgun just to cut up and mount underneath it. Then I had to get rails for it.
My workhorse pistol, I can't even bear the thought of leaving stock anymore, so that's getting up to the 1 K mark, last time I checked. Still, I feel underequipped compared to most people at games, who have more value in attachments than I do in actual guns. |
325$ ICS M4a1 plastic (2009)
One piston and one contact switch later I'm still using it.... About 250000 bb's I'm putting Drake's cat through college with it! |
TM P90 - $660 way back when
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KWA metal M4A1 - ~$450
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EXCELLENT gun, shouldn't have sold it. |
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TM SR16 in 2004 for something like 700$.
50k$ in since then, about 42 or 43k$ out as well. I buy and trade a lot. |
You can easily find a decent aeg for $300 or so on the classifieds. I Paid about $350 a few years ago for a JG G36C. Very nice gun.
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Tm mp5 ras - $600
Ca m15a4 with grenade launcher - $900 Kj 226 - $300 All back in 2003. |
700 on my WE M16 GBBR!
By the way, it's a bad idea to start with GBBR, because you'll get addicted to it! |
My first AEG was a ICS M4,paid $600.00 back in 2005 and I still have it with better parts now and stopped spending when it hit $2200.00 mark. Now it just sits and I use my PTW,sice 2007.
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first gun ever - CA G36K, $650
used marui G3-SG1, about $900 after upgrades, mags, and metal receiver G&G UMG, like $500 or something G&P M4 RASII, $600, put like $2000 into that rifle, magpul everything M203, LiPo upgrade, only thing left stock was a few body pins, half the outer barrel and the mechbox shell G&P M249 para, won't tell you what I paid but they were $1800 back then. I've put about $900 into it now with internals, spare box, LiPo upgrade etc. HFC beretta, I got for free for helping out a retailer HFC Cougar, $300, just bought it to try it out marui VSR-10, actually one of the less expensive guns I've owned at only $800 for everything marui MEU, oh god like $900 WE PDW open bolt, $1000 or so KSC glock 19, $300 And my PTW is still being built... I've also bought 5 or 6 AEG's over time from $200 to $400 just to fix up and sell Fact is, if you really like airsoft and think you'll be playing a long time, save up and buy something GOOD that's compatible with aftermarket internals and externals. You buy a $200 plastic gun, it's more expensive to upgrade to metal than buying a whole new metal gun, it may not be compatible with most externals, etc etc. It's just better to buy mainstream guns. Oh and AEGs are less expensive now than the first 3 years that I started, there's WAY more selection, and more than just 2 good brands One year the only thing you could get was chinese crap, the year after you could only get clear receiver crap, now almost everything is available. You noobs got it EASY these days. |
TM M4 S-system $500 Bone stock and works like a champ every time.
My VFC scar-l... she can be a real bitch, I've gotta get around to rewiring her. edit: My First airsoft was a TM.. I think springer it was a 1911 but the barrel had 10MM on it insteadh of .45 ACP I picked up for 500 Pesos (15ish CAD) at a hole in the wall shop in Dumagette in the Philippines in 1999 |
$450 ics m4 ris.
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Oh I guess it's worth mentioning, they didn't even HAVE $200 chinese clones 4+ years ago, so either you bought a used or $500 AEG or you didn't play lol
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My first gun was bought used for around 350 a CA SCAR-L pro 2nd gun? 700 dollar magpul PTS masada. The pennies do count.
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$400 for my JG G36C
$75 for a 551 Holographic Sight $200 for a WE Hi-Capa 4.3 for a "Canada legal" gun, you have to keep in mind that you should downgrade ASAP to about 350fps so that it is fieldable at 90% of games. And doesn't break down as fast. $10 for spring $__if you want to pay someone to do it, zero to do so yourself. |
With sorbo tech and advanced piston designs now, the issue of higher FPS=lower durability is totally gone. Only reason to go under 350fps now is if you use your gun inside and out, or if you're using stock parts lol
Prometheus or system(not systemA) super core piston, prometheus gears, sorbo cylinder head. You can run 1500rpm at 380fps and 100,000 rounds later the piston rack still looks like new. And the whole mentality of the "sacrificial part", usually the piston, is completely gone now. It was necessary back when nothing was reliable, but I've seen more broken bevels and pinion gears caused pistons breaking and jamming the sector gear than anything else. |
LOL seriously? So I CAN have something that will have a 5% chance of breaking as opposed to a 50% like my stock pieces of crap?
Altho....the cost for that setup is high in terms of parts cost. I mean... $40+ for the piston $100+ for the gear set $50+ for the cylinder head Throw in shipping and handling, and that's a whole lotta money. Then if you can't do it yourself, you have to hire a tech who can! Then that's another $50.... |
First gun was..$400(G&G MP5-A5) ish. After a month it was broken and that was another $100 to get it fixed. This was between getting 2 different gun techs to fix it(Amos and Gun tech from Local Airsoft Store). Yup! This is expensive but, we love what we do.
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$450 for a gun that stop working after a week of purchasing, a year later and at least $400+ in upgrades and accessories, it works.
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So here's my story. Feel free to laugh out loud and pee a little if ya need. I learned.
I found airsoft by mistake. I was in a local surplus store just looking around when I came across these clear plastic M4's. It turned out they were something called airsoft guns. I had target shot most of my life and hadn't owned a BB or pellet gun for years so I decided for $24.99 It was worth a try. The thing ran off of 6 'AA' betteries, and shot at about 150FPS with .12's. After about 50 batteries and a week, it of course broke. Now I was addicted, and had no idea what I was doing. I went out and spent $120 on a clear DPMS Panther with a cheapo pistol included. About a week later I came across ASC and began to read up on the subject. FAIL. So the DPMS died of course, but at least now I was somewhat prepared. I saved a bit and got a clearsoft ICS M4($330-ish, still works) to play with while I saved. When I eventually had the money I got myself what I consider my first Real airsoft gun, a DBoys Steel version AK47. I paid $400 and it ran like a champ until I decided I wanted something else. The point here is these guys know what their talking about. DON'T MAKE MY MISTAKES! save up, get a decent gun and upgrade as you can. It's expensive but worth it. |
Started with wal-mart guns and worked my way up, Got the 100$ Walmart M4, then bought a walmart shotgun, then, a echo 1 m28, etc..... Now I have a KWA SR10 and a couple other guns!
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I started in july, first gun was a G&G m14 socom max... about 10k rounds through it priced at just under 700 bucks after shipping and tax. Nothing wrong with it, no complaints other than expensive mags.... well and shitty plastic stock, but plastic breaks so it's not unexpected.
Opened it up at the end of the season, it was very well tuned from factory, piston was only starting to show signs of wear, upgraded the spring so it shoots 400 fps instead of 360. Need to install a mosfet to protect the trigger contacts and so I can switch to lipos. Picked up a used kwa m226 ptp... 400ish bucks... replaced the aluminum slide on it because something was dropped either gun or something onto the slide that bent and cracked corner, still worked fine, but I worry about those things. Shoots like a champ. picked up a used TM p90... I should've known better on this one... 350ish bucks hasn't worked right in the 4 months I've had it. just bought a new CA p90 for 450. Works great, just need to get a lighter spring for it and install my mosfet from the TM into it so I can use my lipos with it. |
I didnt listen to advise.
I purchased a used CA M16 sportline. so it was black but plastic Withing 4 months I had bought a 170 dollar metal body. and later a systema gearbox. etc etc. Anyway by the end of the year the only original part was the outer barrel. haha I sold it at a loss. But to a friend who started new int he sport so he has a solid custom gun. Purchased a tm p90 for 400 and than imported my own magput pts acr in multicam this year. Well aware I would sink 200 dollars into the guts. Which I just did :) Still cheaper than hockey. lol |
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My first REAL airsoft gun was a CA Proline P90 $380... I miss it |
My First Gun was a Thompson From Crappie Tire... I mean canadian Tire, It was 180$ all plastic put it was a decent gun at the time when i was just finding out about airsoft. Now im running a 690$ VFC FN Scar L Brand new and when i got it, It wasnt working apparently the electral in the gun is cheap. But it still kicks ass:P
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Amen ahah |
get Av'd, my first gun i got a C8 for 140, all it needed was a battery and flash hider
so about $200 and i am good to go |
My first gun was a new VFC SR 15E3 10.5" for $600. I've bought other AEGs, but the SR15 is still my primary.
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$670 for a BNIB CA36 + mag and battery.
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First gun was a crappy clearsoft H&K G36C for $180. Tried it, didn't like it and bought a G&G MP5A5 for $340 later that night online. I soon discovered that an MP5 might not be the best at long range outdoor stuff so a few months later I bought an A&K SVD. Then I thought perhaps that might be too ridiculous for close in stuff so then I bought my current workhorse, the full metal ICS M16A3 RAS for close in work and far out stuff. This thing is such a beast and has been reliable so far.
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I paid $400 for an WA SV Infinity Prokiller F3.9 about 12 years ago for my first "real" airsoft gun.
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I started up this fall...just over $300 for a CYMA M1A1.....a month later i got a great deal on a TM M1A1 for $400
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650$ for BNIB VFC AKs-74n
330$ for LNIB TM Hicappa 5.1 |
CA G36E - 255$ (in "the states")
KWA G36C - 350$ ICS Galil AR - 640 $ STAR SCAR- 400$ G&G UMP - trade ICS M4 RAS- 400$ Real Sword type 97b - 650$ A&K Masada- 400$ G&G M14 EBR- 1000$ ksc cz 75- 370 $ |
$449 For a TM M16A2 back in like 1999 from Tru... When he had the Airsoft Canada Store. Oh I miss the old days LOL.
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150 for an ics mp5 (522).
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$330 for a JG G36C which I still have. Now I upgraded to an $800 custom M4.
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$300 tm mp5k
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I still play net..... $3000 ****** Larceny Custom Pro pads..... I couldn't resist. |
The first one I really wish I had was a Robert Goulet... but fuck, those things are RARE and EXPENSIVE. If you think these guns we're talking about are pricey...
Never did manage to get my hands on one. |
400 for a used tm famas back in 2004
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But I just couldn't afford cigars and booze anymore... |
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I gotta FAMAS now, not a TM but a JG clone, can accept some V2 and V3 parts a little easier to maintain if something does break. Currently shots a feeble 160 fps cause of an airseal prob. but I still got a kill with it last match.
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Quick question, what is a Robert Goulet?
All the other threads I've seen on them....WTF. |
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