WETTI AWSS M4 GBBR vs KJ M4 GBB vs G&P WOC M4
 

Which one is known for the best reliability?

I was looking at the G&P WOC M4 because of the 50 round mags.

Anyone thoughts?

There are many threads on GBBR's already on the forum.

Try a bit of using the search function.

G&P would be on the bottom I'd say, many have nothing but praise for the WE system, but I think its a steaming load of shit, and I know of many with severe feeding/reliability issues, and I've had next to no issues with my KJW, but it doesnt kick as hard as WE or WA, KJW also uses 38 round mags, so more shots than WE, less than WA

Do you know of any retailers in Toronto that carry the KJW? I've only seen it on 007 airsoft which is in alberta. But I'm guessing there shouldnt be a problem of getting guns seized if its in the same country eh?

get av'd and you will find out where the stores are.

I did, and now i'm playing the waiting game..

Clearly you're not playing it very well.

From multiple reviews/comparisons, KJW M4's have the best reliability out of the box. However, their internals are less realistic, there are no trades, and some people do not like the thermold mag's aesthetics.

hehehehe av tag avatar fail

until you are av'd no one is going to help you get a gun, they will give you advice on which guns are better however if you look like you're worth helping

there are 2 FAQ threads on the WE system and the KJW system, I'd suggest reading both threads to see what people's opinions on either system are.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...light=KJW+gbbr

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...light=KJW+gbbr



Most people swear by one or the other, so any comparison will largely be opinion based, read up on both systems and then make an educated decision on which is better for you.

If you ask which is better you will get 10 saying WE and 10 saying KJW so it really makes no sense, and you just look like a lazy noob that just wants to be spoonfed the information.

Happy reading :)

I'll have a good read at those. I'm just trying to feel out everyone's personal opinion. Sometimes these reviews I read online are pure bias and not what I need.

GBB are expensive and I really want to know what I'm buying. But unfortunately as it seems you need to be AV before really knowing whats good. I personally would love to check a store or retailer and compare the guns in person. However it doesnt seem like any shops near by have 2 different brands to compare with since each retailer seems to only carry 1 brand GBB..

Hi Tsquared, it may literally come down to how much money you are willing to invest in the long run. Inokatsu is the top of the line but at about $2300 plus hundred for a valve and upgrated parts to game it and mags it is usually out of most players limit. G&P WOCs are fantastic guns but they also require parts to become gamable and mags so you are usually looking at around $2500. KJ M4 is gamable out of the box IIRC and has a little cool down but I heard some have issues with its depenability. And the mags are expensive too. Lastly there is WE, generaly they are around the same price range as a KJ but need a new valve to be gamable. And as nooblord said some individual guns have quality issues while others love them. Besides cost of the WE being relatively low, mags are less expensive than all the other gbbrs. So its really a question of how much money and effort you are willing to sink into what amounts to a really cool toy. Take your time and read reviews, get av'ed and go to some games and ask players who are running gas rifles what their experiances with them are. Gas guns are only getting more popular and the every company seems to be turning one out. They are not going anywhere.

Are you sure you wanna dive into GBBRs as your first airsoft gun? Consider not only the cost of the gun and parts but also take into consideration that a GBBR requires more maintenance. I personally find my GBBRs are easier to maintain, they're easier to field strip them most AEGs which is a god send because I find I'm cleaning, lubing, and greasing my GBBRs more often then my AEGs.

Every new KJW I've seen shot around 500FPS or higher outta the box. Not gamable at most fields.

GBBRs
 

In general need a little tuning.. and typically some replacement parts to adjust the FPS before they can be used as a primary weapon ..

I have 4 WE products currently and for me once tuned up, they are reliable and serious fun to shoot.

that said... I would recommend a AEG as your first gun.. unless you like to tinker and have the aptitude to do it.

mines and the others ive seen all shot 425

500FPS Full-Automatic = Prohibited Device

You might not want to be posting this on a forum where LEOs are lurking about.

My apologies, I checked and it states 320fps with duster not propane.

500fps with .2s doesn't surpass airgun energy limits.

Come on, you're into real steel, you know better than that.

Whoops

This is Tsquared, I found my old account. Admins are going to delete my Tsquared account, its been taken care of...

Now about what you said, this is NOT my first airsoft gun, my previous airsoft gun was a TM M4A1 RIS.

My budget for the gun alone(not including additional mags or anything else) is $500 range. I have a crap load of accessories and ad ons in my closet somewhere.

My thought process is this:

I've been playing paintball for the last couple of months, pure milsim style stuff. Only problem with paintball is expensive and really heavy carrying all the gear plus 8 paintball pods, and a heavy as CO2 tank + gun. Gets really heavy. I consider trying out a Milsig or Rap4 for paintballing.. but I would get owned hard core against those who bring speedball markers, or have a 300 bullet hopper. The milsig's and Rap4 mags carry about 19 bullets, and are a lot bigger guns then airsoft.

So For milsim or cqb games, I'd probably rock some airsoft games from time to time.

Realism is important to me but reliability is also important. The KJW look great and seem to be the best bang for your buck with 2 mags including in the package...

I recently purchased a WETTI AWSS M4 GBBR. I've been very happy with it's performance. There has been one problem with a roller pin coming loose on the hammer. I just dealt with this once and for all the other day after a night game by replacing the hammer.

Aside from this one issue the gun has been solid for me. I run duster in it for indoor games and get 350fps, at outdoor I run propane and get 400 (with .2's). I've not had to screw with anything since I got it with the exception of the hammer issue.

This is an all metal gun though, and I paid $1000 for it not $500. You might want to consider saving some additional money so you can get yourself an all metal one.

Well at your price there are three options, a G&P WOC with a clear lower (this can be upgraded after to a full metal receiver), a WE M4A1, or a WE SCAR. All three guns need a RA-Tech valve to lower the velocity to gamable levels. Magazines for the WOC cost about $80 each, and mags for the WE cost about $45 each. Each gun has their pros and cons. Once you get av'ed you will see the prices and have a better idea. I personally have a SCAR, but I am friends with others with WOCs who swear by them.

totally left KJW in your list. they are probably the best GBBR for new/intro users who are on a limited budget.

Oops, I did leave it out by mistake. I'm not sure that i agree with them being the best intro GBBR though.

So the KJW with a clear lower also fits into your price range and it comes with two mags. It has a better cool down than others because of the gas system used. It also requires a new valve to game and mags are about $75 each.

i can get KJW mags for $50 each, dunno why retailers ask so much

ya KJW mags are the same price as WE mags on redwolf.

the price hike is most likely due to the fact that NO ONE has any KJW mags in stock :p

$1000 for full metal. but 500ish for full metal but the lower receiver. However I see a full metal lower receiever selling for $90 bucks. There must be more to it then just a full body metal...

Otherwise it would make sense to get one with a clear lower and buy the metal body after..

I used to remember the days when these guns didnt need clear lower receivers... and no av those were the days lol.

I must be too new but I don't ever remember them being called markers

markers is paintball,

Lol. Sorry As you can see I'm still in the paintball mind set.

I seriously doubt you'll be able to get a metal lower for a WE or KJW for $90. Metal WE lowers are in HIGH demand and sell for around $160. They are also basically sold 5 minutes after being posted. Very difficult to get. And I don't think I've even seen a KJW metal receiver on the forums, but it sounds pricey as well.

REALLY? I turned that down.. maybe I'll give him a call and pick it up.

KJW metal lowers go for 170, you just gotta know who to ask

I turned down this sale. Tell me if i made a bad move on this.

G&P WOC M4 RIS + lower metal receiver NEW for both at $650 Cash.

Should I have taken that deal?

guarantied it was a scam, broken beyond repair, or not in Canada

I had them both in my hand. I picked up the gun and test fired it. The guy is a license dealer on the site. I'm not going to mention who since it might be the last one. :rolleyes:

Base on that answer I'd say it was a good deal??

Edit:
Sorry not the RIS version, the RIS version was + $40 bucks.

If all that you said is true, then yes you passed up on a great deal.

Considering there's no retailers selling WOCs anywhere near that price, I find that hard to believe.

Really? Are you serious? Can you show me who is selling it for more? The retailer is located in Scarborough. The stock WOC is 560, RIS version is 600.

$80 bucks for a lower metal receiver...

Your talking about huang aren't you

Oh Airsoft Depot. I guess he just slap on a Chinese made crappy lower by AABB.
White etch colt trade eh?

You got it. Arg tried to not make it so obvious.

So it isnt really a good deal then?

Yes, we all know Huang has those lower clear body WOCs. He has 23 in stock, so you can still buy it if you want. Also, notice that these are the BURST model, not the fully automatic one. WOC lower receivers are very costly. If ure getting one for $80, chances are it is a shitty one.

This is probably a noob question, but can you explain to me the big difference between a shitty receiver vs a good one.

Also he may have 23 of them in stock, but he only has 1 lower receiver..

Compatibility, fitting, external texture, finishing, engravings, everything matters. The receiver is probably one of those AABB ones from ebairsoft. When you see/hold a good receiver, you will KNOW that it is good. I started off with a CA receiver and I was like "holy kick a$$!", then i sold it right away when i saw the receivers from G&P.

for $90 it is probably a dboys receiver. I think they're the cheapest I've seen on ehobby. If they're anything like their AEG bodies I'd avoid it like the plague.

On a side note, the G&P transparent lower is more expensive than DBoys metal one =\

I'm thinking about getting the one VA is selling. What do you think about the one AirsoftDepot has vs the one VA has.

There is a search function in tihs forum.

1.) By VA do you mean Velocity Arms?
2.) If your answer to 1 is yes, then I would say it will break fast and you'll be left with a whole lot of parts.

is WE that bad? I hear it was decent

With a few very small alterations IMHO the WE is a great platform. I have several thousand rounds through mine now and it shoots hard and consistent. Nothing seems to be wearing out at an accelerated pace. I HIGHLY Suggest you read both the WA and WE GBBR guides here on this website and on Arnies as well as Gasguns.info and draw your own conclusions. There is a very comprehensive list of required upgrades in the WE GBBR thread. Read it.

like I said, Many have nothing but praise for it, but IMO its a pile of feeding issues and sub standard materials, but maybe somehow only the WE's I owned and have worked on are all lemons and everybody else got one that works perfectly

You will hear conflicting opinions from many users on many topics. As not everyone's experiences will be the same and individuals have their own standards in regards to quality. Its your job to ascertain facts and develop your own opinion.

Try a Gen 3 or Gen 4 then re evaluate your experience. Mine feeds every time and I have not had one Chopped bb. Ya you have to replace a few parts..but this is airsoft..your never going to get something out of the box at these price points that do not need some TLC. Perspective is the key here.

pretty much every gun you touch ends up broken... so statistically you are what is called an "anomaly " I personally know of 10 people who are running WE products as primary guns with no issues other than expected wear and tear.

your experience notwithstanding the balance of the evidence indicates a solid good performing platform.

What parts do I need to replace out of box? Its not skirmish ready out of box?

In the end of the day, I want to know why I would pay an extra $100 for the G&P one. Are G&P out of box ready to go? What I dont want to end up doing is picking up a WE, and having to put another 300 bucks in parts when I could have gotten an G&P and been problem free or only had to put another $50 bucks.

Also I'm aware that I may end up spending $2000 in the end after all upgrades, that's what happen to my $180 paintball gun. Ended up buying over $1000 in upgrades.

out of the box WOCs are durable, but htey have performance issues and inconsistent velocity, but they are pretty tough, steel internals i believe

and you want someone else to do the research for you or point you to where it's been done... and you will continue to flop about making thread after thread hoping someone will take pity on your lazy ass and spoon feed you the answers just to make you shut up....

I did do research, and the results are really mixed. I'm really trying to get peoples experience with the gun itself. Sorry for coming off as lazy.

you have answered your own question,

Best thing you can do is go out to games, meet people who have experience not everybody who actually plays sits and posts here on AirsoftCanada.com so the opinions you get here can be biased.

Alot of local players field WEs so you can easily get a chance to test them out.
As for WOCs/Inokatsus it'll be harder to find as they are up in the price spectrum so there will be less players who have it.

Also I doubt you'll need to spend over $2000 on a WE the WOC/Inokatsus definitely if you want top notch, regardless both these platforms have upgrades available, depends how deep your pockets go.

For WE's getting aftermarket steel internals should only run you a couple hundred, if that's not enough for you there are guys on the gasgunwiki who've installed Daniel Defense front ends and other real steel components.

Personally the amount on a WA system I'd need to spend would be more than what I'd spend on buying a real AR15 so I couldn't justify such a cost hence why I'd go lower, after all this is just a toy/training tool/wall-hanger

Yeah, after much thought and consideration I ended up picking the G&P WOC RIS version from Huang. I'm also getting the lower receiver just painted by one of his friends.

I decided on the G&P because as far as I can see on the internet, its one of the better choice gbbr. I was also very attracted to the kick from the gun and the 50 round mags it came with. I grabbed an extra mag (for now, I know i will need probably another 2) and called it a day.

I'm pretty excited to bring this to the battle field and see how she plays, hopefully it handles better then my old TM M4 gun.

Probably worse.

My my TM M4RIS was a lemon, nothing but trouble since the first day i got it. Barely worked right in any games i played in. :/

You will see, shortly I predict you will also purchase a used aeg to compliment your gbbr.

Haha, maybe.. We will have to see. But its most likely I'm going to buy a couple of guns this time around. I'm older, have more money to waste then when I was 18..

Thats what most of us end up doing. But if i may suggest before you end up buying a shit ton of guns make sure you have all the gear and equipment you need. Thats means good googles (with pb goggles you cant get a good cheek weld), good boots to protect your feed, enough mags to enjoy yourself, hydration, communications, batteries, chargers etc etc etc...

Haha yeah definitely. Because I'm a returning Airsofter I happen to have half the gear in my closet(stuff i couldnt sell off). I even have a few extra batteries in my room, but no AEG!

I'm actually excited to wear something more comfortable then a paintball mask.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still not off paintball. I go every weekend but why not do both right?

Quoting myself to clarify... If it's clear body, than the lower receiver will break fast. But, if you already bought one, than you will find that out for yourself. Had you looked at this thread (the one directly below the one you created):http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=107040, than you would probably have more information.

Yes I read most of that already. I went with the G&P BTW, not the VA WE. However I'm still aware of the difference between aeg and gbbr performance.

I will probably buy an hk416 or mp5 aeg after this one.