Originally Posted by lexbroski (Post 1267709)

Every new KJW I've seen shot around 500FPS or higher outta the box. Not gamable at most fields.

Originally Posted by aZn_triXta07 (Post 1267741)

500FPS Full-Automatic = Prohibited Device

You might not want to be posting this on a forum where LEOs are lurking about.

Originally Posted by aZn_triXta07 (Post 1267741)

500FPS Full-Automatic = Prohibited Device

You might not want to be posting this on a forum where LEOs are lurking about.

Originally Posted by Eeyore (Post 1267659)

Hi Tsquared, it may literally come down to how much money you are willing to invest in the long run. Inokatsu is the top of the line but at about $2300 plus hundred for a valve and upgrated parts to game it and mags it is usually out of most players limit. G&P WOCs are fantastic guns but they also require parts to become gamable and mags so you are usually looking at around $2500. KJ M4 is gamable out of the box IIRC and has a little cool down but I heard some have issues with its depenability. And the mags are expensive too. Lastly there is WE, generaly they are around the same price range as a KJ but need a new valve to be gamable. And as nooblord said some individual guns have quality issues while others love them. Besides cost of the WE being relatively low, mags are less expensive than all the other gbbrs. So its really a question of how much money and effort you are willing to sink into what amounts to a really cool toy. Take your time and read reviews, get av'ed and go to some games and ask players who are running gas rifles what their experiances with them are. Gas guns are only getting more popular and the every company seems to be turning one out. They are not going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Thanh (Post 1267840)

This is Tsquared, I found my old account. Admins are going to delete my Tsquared account, its been taken care of...

Now about what you said, this is NOT my first airsoft gun, my previous airsoft gun was a TM M4A1 RIS.

My budget for the gun alone(not including additional mags or anything else) is $500 range. I have a crap load of accessories and ad ons in my closet somewhere.

My thought process is this:

I've been playing paintball for the last couple of months, pure milsim style stuff. Only problem with paintball is expensive and really heavy carrying all the gear plus 8 paintball pods, and a heavy as CO2 tank + gun. Gets really heavy. I consider trying out a Milsig or Rap4 for paintballing.. but I would get owned hard core against those who bring speedball markers, or have a 300 bullet hopper. The milsig's and Rap4 mags carry about 19 bullets, and are a lot bigger guns then airsoft.

So For milsim or cqb games, I'd probably rock some airsoft games from time to time.

Realism is important to me but reliability is also important. The KJW look great and seem to be the best bang for your buck with 2 mags including in the package...

Originally Posted by Eeyore (Post 1267910)

Well at your price there are three options, a G&P WOC with a clear lower (this can be upgraded after to a full metal receiver), a WE M4A1, or a WE SCAR. All three guns need a RA-Tech valve to lower the velocity to gamable levels. Magazines for the WOC cost about $80 each, and mags for the WE cost about $45 each. Each gun has their pros and cons. Once you get av'ed you will see the prices and have a better idea. I personally have a SCAR, but I am friends with others with WOCs who swear by them.

Originally Posted by theshaneler (Post 1267913)

totally left KJW in your list. they are probably the best GBBR for new/intro users who are on a limited budget.

Originally Posted by Thenooblord (Post 1267979)

markers is paintball,